Group Buy: TERMINATED by Niwalker

Integrity is the matter at hand.
If we stand by and allow this behaviour to continue unabated and without recourse, they will see it as acceptable and degenerate further and further until we do jack up over it.

I for one, will NOT stand for such underhanded, unsavoury, discriminatory, defamatory and dishonest behaviour and rather take a moral stand at my personal expense to demonstrate this.

I would like to know also…
Is there a list of their official dealers somewhere?

One question, how do you plan to fix this in a positive manner, that establishes a bond of trust between the distributor, the customers and yourself ?

Another question, if Cellguy provided his website for reference, how come it was missed he is an authorised distributor ?

Perfect example being M@gl!te being dragged into the 21st century and forced to use LED’s to stay relevant in the market.
By what percent of their market share they lost by dragging their feet would be intriguing to view.

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Too little too late for me.

I can’t be bothered with companies that conduct their business like this. IMO once they have their money that’s it for them, whoever has paid them can do what they like with the items.

Has made my decision easier that’s for sure. Its not like there is many good MT-G2 lights out there so this is just another one I can strike off the “potential” list.

+1 I’m not going to get upset and rant but there is too much competition out there to give my money to a manufacturer like this. I can’t buy every single interesting light and they just freed up cash for something else on the list. I already have an Eagletac SX25L3 with the MTG2 emitter. It is a great light and it can be found for a good deal in many places. I know the Niwalker has a much larger reflector and I was really looking forward to comparing the two but hey…there are plenty of fish in the sea! :slight_smile:

I also wanted to add…I have dealt with E2 Fieldgear a few times. I always found their prices and service to be excellent. Thanks Cellguy, for trying to make this happen. It would’ve been nice, and we appreciate your efforts.

Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) Policies are Designed to Benefit Dealers - Not Consumers

Minimum advertised pricing is a method upon which manufacturers dictate to retailers the price which must be advertised for a given product. Many times, this advertising is restrictive to the point of ensuring the consumer pays too much for a given product. (Also note, Minimum Resale Price (MRP) policies are a close cousin to MAP policies. The difference is that MRP policies dictate the minimum price at which an item can be sold vs. advertised.

*Myth: MAP Policies are Good for Consumers
Fact: MAP Policies are Bad for Consumers Due to Potentially Higher Prices*
Minimum advertised pricing (MAP) often causes consumers to pay higher prices than if MAP did not exist. This is often times due to restrictions in place where a customer has to take additional steps such as calling a retailer to determine the best possible price. If the consumer doesn’t know they need to call, they may end up paying more than necessary for an item.

*Myth: MAP Levels the Playing Field
Fact: MAP Supports Inefficient Businesses*
Minimum advertised pricing (MAP) is often referred to as a mechanism to level the playing field between competitors. This is nonsense. Inefficient business models shouldn’t be rewarded for the unwillingness to change with the times and become leaner organizations.

*Myth: Manufacturers Always Disclose Their Policies
Fact: Some Manufacturers Want to Keep Policies a Secret*
While many manufacturers do in fact disclose their policies, others are much more restrictive. They may restrict a retailer from disclosing that such an anti-consumer policy is in place. If you’re going to have a Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) policy then own it and disclose it. We can disagree on opinions as to the merits of MAP, but “hiding” it makes me lose respect for you.

*Myth: Dealers “Win” by Making More Money with MAP Policies
Fact: Dealers “Lose” When they Don’t Serve Their Customers Interests*
Dealers win the trust of their customers by always providing them with the lowest possible price for a product, not by overcharging them.

*Myth: MAP Policies Are Enforced Both On and Offline
Fact: Many MAP Policies Are Often Only Enforced Against Online Advertising*
Most manufacturers only enforce their MAP policies against online advertising - print, in-store and other mediums are either ignored or exempted from the rules. There are exceptions, but those are far and few between. If we’re talking about fairness and equality in “leveling the playing field” as some manufacturers claim, then they’re failing miserably at this goal. Instead, they’re putting internet dealers at a distinct disadvantage putting handcuffs on their operations while others can wheel and deal freely.

Why are Manufacturers enforcing M.A.P.s ??
Manufacturers are mainly trying to “protect” traditional distribution channels, claiming that they do provide support and service.
Manufacturers want to make sure that dealers with higher overhead costs can make money at selling their products and stay in business. But after all, who hasn’t visited a store to “kick the tires” and then rushed online to save money ??

Do M.A.P.s benefit the Consumer ??
MAPs can sometimes be justified for a complex and technical product.
They are harder to justify when you buy an MP3 player, a camera lens, or a flashlight.
In most instances, it results in higher prices for the consumer with no or little added benefits.

Are M.A.P.s legal ??
Many people believe MAPS are anti-competitive and a restriction of trade. They used to be illegal in the U.S. for these very same reasons. Since 2008, however, they are, unfortunately, legal .

In a previous life, I worked within an industry which fell under the scrutiny of European Union competition law which,as far as I recall,generally prohibits MAP. BUT,exemptions exist in circumstances where a franchise agreement is in place (in accordance with the usual myriad of “subject to…”s drawn up by and only understood by the Brussels lawyers) and of course the manufacturers exert both distribution and price control through these arrangements.

The bottom line? MAP is outlawed in the EU but… you can get round it!

s. I had never before heard of Niwalker. I have now and I don’t think they will be on the Christmas wish list

Hi everyone,

I understand the frustration here, and I respect your rights to voice your opinion about the manufacturer in question. However, the BLF Rules about profanity and rudeness do still apply, even in irritating or negative situations. Please respect these rules at all times, as they will contribute to a much more enjoyable environment for everyone around here.

I tried to remove all occurrences of profanity in this thread, but please PM me if I missed any.

Also, thanks to the majority of the posters here who did watch their language despite their frustration.

Thanks a lot, have fun!

I had to laugh at that. If you need help with translation of the english slang words, just let me know.Wink

The only words you need to learn are "NO MAP" at BLF.

That gave me a chuckle as well, probably because what they said could have been interpreted about a hundred different ways.

Thanks for making me laugh. Again :D

So Vinh bought a bunch of MTG2 Niwalkers and is modding and selling them: SOLD WTS: #2 Must Have Vostro Mvn Search Light | Candle Power Flashlight Forum

And some of our most vocal anti-Niwalker members have joined in on the buy! :bigsmile:

That’s just great.

So Vihn can sell them but cellguy can’t?

Now it’s clear. When Niwalker smelled something nice, they bypassed Cellguy, and did it themselves. Dealers of Niwalker, TAKE NOTE. You’ve been had.

LOL! :smiley:

lol

i signed up before the light was announced

i have to raise money by selling lights if i want this one

not giving up my spot yet, but im not 100% what im doing yet

It’s interesting how a lot of people sign up for the light without knowing what it is, or the price, for that matter.

Surely I’m missing something.

lmao. no honour.