Group Buy: TERMINATED by Niwalker

Well to the crux, the question is whether Niwalker’s alleged use of a ‘MAP’ policy is a get round to enforce a retail price maintenance, anti competitive policy (again alleged).

RMP in Europe and I believe the US, was made illegal many years ago though MAP (in its correct form) was not banned.

Therefore the question is; has Niwalker with the action it has taken in this instance (that) we are discussing here, used MAP to enforce an anti competitive action?

IF they have done so, and you become a dealer for them are you tacitly agreeing to their actions?

May be worthwhile investigating in more detail their actions and policy’s before becoming one of their dealers or indeed selling any of their products.

I personally do not believe that you were in any way instrumental in the collapse of the GB and hope that at least in this sorry affair, it has been established, that you are not the one that complained, and that is made apparent to all.

It would be good to actually find out who the parties were, that actually complained so we could boycott them. I will be boycotting any Niwalker product in the future for their actions in negating this GB, as I would hope others would do so too.

Really!! the way Nilwalker have acted and you don’t care? And no problem!! ???

I will be writing to a local MEP to find out if it would be possible to ban commercial imports from companies that misuse MAP as a back-door to enforce RPM in the EU. Prosecuting them would seem impractical as they (companies) don’t appear to have actual trading headquarters in the EU.

Maybe others living in the US might raise the same topic with local authorities over there, as anti competitive practices are I believe very much frowned on. Would these days the Better Business Bureau get involved?

Edit: ‘commercial’ not ban on personal imports

yes, i dont care.

i got upset because they were interfering with perfectly legal/normal practice, preventing me from getting a good light at a good price

i am now getting the light i wanted, at a good price

anything else that happened in between is pretty much inconsequential from my point of view…. other peoples problems - etc.

Dear oh dear, Suggest you think that through to what it actually means for all of us in the future including YOU.

Good luck with the ‘I’M alright jack’ stance………

I'm not sure I'll proceed, but I joined before knowing what it was. (Safe bet it would be something good considering Vinh's other lights.)

My stance remains the same, I'll never buy a stock new Niwalker. Ever.

A modded light, secondhand, that's altered (which is what that GB is) that I'm not so sure about. It benefits the modder, and at present the modder (afaik) has no obligations at all to Niwalker except those he already met, in sending them a payment.

It's abundantly clear MAP was used strictly as an excuse since Cellguy never violated MAP policy.

MAP policy is by it's very nature in reference to the Maximum Advertised Price. Cellguy never advertised the lights at below Niwalker MAP.

Niwalker simply chose to be exceedingly stupid, and shortsighted in refusing to sell to him.

Stinky situation becomes even more smelly.
Niwalker somehow managed to create a “Niwalker hater” here, Fenix wasn’t able to achieve that, Nitecore and Crelant didn’t manage to do that either but Niwalker somehow did it, so congratulation Niwalker…
If I was a player in this market I wouldn’t go nowhere near the Niwalker because that could/would seriously damage my reputation.

it means nothing for any of us here as far as i can tell

vinh has already paid for the lights - niwalker could care less at this point what he does with them

it doesnt matter if i choose to buy one from vinh second hand (modded) or not

one of the other 10 people waiting in the “standby” queue get one if i withdraw - niwalkers already got their money

I will never ever buy this piece of sh… called niwalker. Ever.

Guys,

Please think before you pass judgement on the innocent. Vinh did nothing wrong. He is just trying to mod a light that may very well be the meanest MT-G2 light on the market and a modded XM-L2 version light that may very well beat his TN31 mod. He’s striving to take us places in the LED world that not many have done as of yet. So think about that and think before you hammer someone wrongfully.

And that’s to those who it applies.

Being relative new, I’m learning.

That said, my Solarforce K3 is now producing some 3060 lumens on 2 18650 cells through a modified Q-Lite driver. The emitter is getting a calculated 5.79A. 3 very useable modes, with options.

Works for me. ~$80.00

First read THIS

Then read THIS

I had also PMed him on CPFMP and he said he did not like that model.

I haven't checked that list, but I'm not going to be on it.

I just read this thread and I think some of you guys exaggerating things a lot.
:slight_smile:

Well I think he thought it was going to be like the TN30. That’s what I got out of it. He made a guesstimation and later admitted he was wrong is all.

Again how many guys here with the exception of an elite few can get out of a light what Vinh can at the prices that he charges and with the speed of service and same exact quality? I don’t know of many.

Since I don't need that type of light, I don't find it relevant.

Well there’s a lot of folks that do. And they are happy, happy, happy.

Sure, whatever helps you sleep at night.