inre, CPF is what it is. Lot of useful info there.
I think they will have to cheapen out the products to sell at walmart, a few years back i read about a lawnmower company that said no to walmart because walmart wanted lower prices and even suggested making a cheaper line for sale at walmart, but the lawnmower manufacturer was not willing to reduce quality in order to get their products into walmart stores.
If surefire does the same thing then they are not very bright (pun intended), but if they sell their regular products and resist walmarts strong arm tactics to reduce quality (price) then more power to them
Just my opinion but SF are way over priced due to fat military contracts they landed. If someone can bring there feet back to earth. More power to them.
One of the things everyone should be aware of is that when you buy a product at Wal-mart it isn’t always going to be the same product you would get at another store. It can have the same description and even be named the same and have cheaper “guts” if you know what I mean. They demand that their suppliers sell to them lower than they do anyone else and they don’t care if that means the supplier makes a cheaper model and leaves the model number the same. So buyer beware.
How much this hurts the supplier is anyone’s guess. I suppose it depends on the product. If the majority of their customer base is buying their products expecting top on the line and then gets a cheap knockoff from the company themselves they might stop buying from them even if they still got a decent deal.
Let’s say you get a $100 light for $75 but you were expecting a $150 light. Are you going to be happy that you saved money or ticked that you didn’t get the quality you expected? The average customer probably won’t know the difference anyway, but their old customers will.
+1
I'd buy the hell out of surefires if they sold for a buck ..I'm stupid but I ain;t crazy .
I'm not waiting on them to start dumping anytime soon either.
No need to. I used to see Surefire differently. But somehow it hooked up with CPF. Then that really changed my view. Don’t know who’s relying on whom now. It can’t get any worse.
I can’t see any problem with that thread, most of the replies seem to welcome it.
What’s you problem with CPF? Looks like you came here to brag about how you told em, but I don’t see any evidence just one post where you were asking for CPFs help.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?372367-hello-from-burns-tn&p=4298746#post4298746
Looks to me as if you received a warm welcome, what’s your beef?
Apple is sold at Walmart, same price, same product as everywhere else.
Here we had lots of high quality Australian clothing and bicycle brands that ended up doing contracts with Wal-Mart style shops here, now the quality of them is very poor and everything is made in China or Bangladesh with the cheapest material and construction methods available.
While I don’t really care about SureFire at all, it will probably only bring prices down a little. I think the CPF SureFire worshipers are just worried that their lights will lose brand recognition, but really it wont affect the lights they already own. Perhaps they are too proud to own “Wal-Mart lights”.
1.If I was living in the US my answer is no. Since I dont live there, its still no. 
Surefire is overpriced and with it comes prestige in ownership. Members from the other forum realize this value in ownership and theyre entitled to it.
2. You then proceeded to bag them. You also attached your evidence. Yet the attachment shows that you had a nice welcome after your brief intro. Yes granting they deleted your post and it disappered. But just take it by the chin and move on. No need to bad mouth them.
Even if they sold at Walmart they would be overpriced and outdated
They should have walmart only items so the purists don’t get there panties in a twist.
If it means more people get to enjoy their great lights, why not? Now if they started selling Fandyfire, I can see why some would get upset.
Snapper is the lawn mower company referenced a a few times. They declined to make a Wal-mart model that would be of lesser quality than their normal line. I can see having SF at Wal-Mart as a bit of a positive for the community and independent dealers too if it exposes more people to the hobby. Who stops at buying just one light?
i read back through some of the comments on this site going back to 2010 until august of this year…i am not the only one who knocks cpf…
tumbleweed48 wrote…
Surefires stock will probably drop 10% today….
I kind of thought something was funny this morning when I booted up my computer and didn’t hear the clatter of jackboots on the cobblestones.
zeroed4x wrote…
This is the fun relaxed side of flashlight forums where you can speak freely and get great advise without any power tripping moderators or @$$ monkey rules about how and what you post. I’ve only been here a short while and I enjoy this place and the people here. I’m sure you will too.
Home Depot actually does that but no one complains, Walmart is hated largely for political reasons and because they sell guns.
In the 1990s Moen ran full page ads apologizing to the plumbing trade and saying that Home Depot was requiring them to introduce cheaper lines, and that that they had to comply because they could not afford to be shut out of what had become the number one seller of faucets, now Home Depot sells cheap American Standards, cheap Moens, cheaper versions of Insinkerator disposals, stuff that isn’t sold to the pros.
Home Depot was a disaster in ways that Walmart can’t be, people who knew what quality remodeling and repairs by professionals looked like 40 and 50 years ago, compared to what they see today from the weekenders flipping houses and becoming instant ‘Home Depot remodel experts’ have many examples.
Introducing a cheaper line of Surefires might or might not happen, but it would do less damage than introducing to an unknowing America the reality of cheap plumbing fixtures, that instead of being measured by many decades of use, are measured by as little as two years before the finish goes, and that will not see the 25 and 35 and 50 years of use that we used to see, and what they did to “remodeling” and fix it work around the home, where house wives and illegal aliens who have no grasp of any trade, the weekender husband, all become experts in any trade when they buy stuff from Home Depot, now that is a mess, not to mention how alike everything looks since everyone is buying the same stuff from the same store.
But Home Depot doesn’t draw political heat.
This paragraph makes me sad.
Between Home Depot, Walmart, and IKEA, things are being made more and more to be disposable.
Fewer and fewer things are built to last.
When Home Depot first came to the area, I was amazed at how… “semi-disorganized” the stores are.
Roofing Paper that’s 100 feet away from the Roofing Nails. Roofing Cement? That’s yet another 4-more aisles and 50-feet farther away from the nails. Need a brush for your cement??? Somewhere in the middle of lumber.
I was talking to my work manager (at the time); who had a close friend that was a Home Depot manager, who told him the scattered store layout is deliberate, and totally planned out.
The reason is obvious… if you have to wander the aisles for 10-minutes to find the batteries to go with your new flashlight, you’re likely to grab/buy something else in the meantime.
And the low prices only last until they put all the local Mom & Pop hardware stores out of business.
I’m perfectly OK with buying stuff at Home Depot/Lowes, but if you need something that isn’t basic (vanilla/chocolate); to quote the commercials… “Ace is the Place”.
If you need that weird bit they use to drive screws in Mobile Homes (and there’s no standard bit that fits it); you’ll never find it at a big-box store. It feels good to support a local shop and help a neighbor pay their rent, versus shopping at a “Big Box” where your dollars mainly go to feeding the hunger of the Wall Street monster.
I’m probably in a minority here but I actually enjoy the long trips around Ikea! 