It’s been challenging to design the ideal pill, but it’s also been really fun. Thank goodness today was a no-school day.
The reason I thought of a diagonal cut was because the plunge cut from the 16mm hole to the 20mm hole leaves an air gap between the SinkPad and the pill. Although probably negligible in terms of lumens drop, I thought making a diagonal cut offered less thermal resistance.
If there’s enough demand for this (5+) I’ll do the straight vertical holes for those who want them.
1. sweet. Would be happy with either option
2. does OL not do it by hand with out the use of a lathe ?
Otherwise, how hard can it be ?
Use OL as motivation over your machinist
Borked, in the mindset of budget the machinations are left up to you. Feel free to do as O-L did and create your own pcb. For those that machined it directly into the pill, it took a lot of time to machine the raised pedestal and also to cut the thermal pad out of a Noctigon pcb. If you want to spend $50 or more I’m sure someone would do that for you. In the interest of keeping these budget, at $20 a fabulous deal, the fancy stuff is left to the end user.
I’m not sure if I should post here, but I’m on the verge of breaking down and buying a C8 setup (Convery with Cu pill) for a 6A or DD red Phatlight.
I mean the main point of a copper pill is to drive the light to a high amperage, and I’m unsure if the tail can keep up.
So I have some questions:
1) How much can the Convey C8 tailcap take? 6A? 8A?
2) Is there an upgrade for it?
3) Is there a run of the P60 pills in the near future? (While C8 and HD2010 have default aluminum pills, almost all P60 drop-in pills are brass of low thermal conductivity.)
Edit: Mattaus replied a few days ago. He deepened (I think) some of his copper optic-pills to allow a 21mm reflector, which wall made full contact with the copper shroud that ran all the way up to the rim. I need max throw in a L2P head so I’m looking for the standard type pill that accepts a standard size reflector (26.5mm). I mean if anyone is interested in a single LED reflector with tons of heat sink without the need to max out the throw, then Matt’s copper P60 is an interesting option.
I’m not certain what switch comes as standard in the Convoy C8 but in both my Ultrafire variants I’ve had a full size (rectangular) Omten 1.5A type reverse clicky. Neither had the genuine looking Omten branding though, and felt a bit whimpier than the real thing so I upgraded them both. The rating of these Omten clickies may be 1.5A but I’ve been running 8.5amps through one for over a year and now it’s delivering 16amps in my modded Apex 5t6 and it’s still very solid. They’ll do fine at 8A I’d say.
Don't change the HD2010 pill, but I want to note that the design effectively makes the internal battery tube length shorter.
By eliminating the driver retaining ring and keeping the same pill height, the driver doesn't sit as deeply. Fortunately it's not a big deal in the HD2010 because the tailcap threads are not anodized, so the tailcap can be unscrewed slightly if necessary. One potential benefit is that it allows the pill to be unscrewed a little for focusing purposes while retaining the original internal battery tube length.
Sorry, been missing this thread somehow so didn't post in the survey - didn't know bout it. I'm in for 4 Convoy C8 pills and 2 HD2010's - I would have indicated a stock C8 pill in copper would also have been of interest to me, just like VOB made in the 1st round -- the UniqueFire T20 pill was a perfect match for the standard UltraFire C8 pill. I would have liked to see the height of the HD2010 pill top raised ever so slightly from stock, which I think maybe VOB's did. If you take a stock HD2010, unscrew the pill by 1/2 to one full turn, that seems to be the optimum positioning of the LED and I've measured increased lumens and throw, but, of course the pill is loose at that point - never was able to work out a spacer but I suppose you could cut one out of sheet aluminum or copper. Also I noticed (sorry if it's been mentioned) that VOB's HD2010 pill has more threads than the stock pill so more contact - better ground, better heat sinking.
Think I saw a post with a link to a google doc to reserve? Look'n now... Edit: ok, submitted my 4 and 2 requests...
Hhmm - are there any mechanical drawings posted showing measurements? From the pic, I'm thinking the total height of the copper pill is slightly less than the stock, so the resulting driver position in the battery tube would be the same - but I'm only guessing here -- hard to tell for sure from the pics. I know with VOB's pill, protected 26650's are very tight - too tight with the stock springs. Would love to run 26700's (MOLI) too but definitely don't fit, but it is nice the unprotected cells fit snugly. Best cell I found was the Powerizer highly recommended by Dale. I got a true tailcap measured 5A on a 4.9A Nanjg build in the VOB copper pill (350 7135's do a little better than 350 usually) with the Powerizer, very close 2nd was the SONY 50A 26650 cell, but the Powerizer has the big advantage of 3700 mAh vs. 2600 mAh.
Edit: Crap! Looked over the pics again and they seem to be the same height... Shortening the length for the batteries may not be so good.... Hhmm. Maybe VOB's did the same thing? Boy gotta check...
I am interested in some pills but I am a bit confused…I probably just missed a post. Is VOB manufacturing the pills or OL or a 3rd party machine shop? Is the design OL or VOB or MRsDNF? Where are they shipping from SK? What is the shipping cost to the US? With the number of C8 clones is there confidence this will be a universal fit?
Mike - I know it's not VOB's design, but I'm confused too about who's design, or who had input or gave help/assistance. The Convoy C8 pill is unique - as far as I've played/tested, you can't inter-change a "standard" C8 pill with the Convoy's - the threads don't match up. I'm quoting "standard" because I know there are exceptions, but I've inter-changed C8 pills, bought the brass ones from FT and LCK-LED and easily mounted them in UF C8's - sometimes needs a little playing with the driver vertical placement (adding a brass 17-17mm ring for example) but, basically they are inter-changeable, meaning they fit most C8's out there, not all though.
VOB's original T20 copper pill fits perfect in the UF C8's I have. I got my UF C8 bought from LightMalls running with VOB's T20 copper pill - does great!! AR lens, SS bezel - all decked out.
Maybe that's cause for another slight revision. Make the threads a little longer. Then it can sit at normal height with more thread contact, or be raised a little without less thread contact than the original pill. Either way there will be more thermal mass, which I'm sure we'd all be happy about.
