Luxeon Q, observations and testing

for the giveaway.

I'm very happy to have the opportunity to measure a few things on the Luxeon Q (output and Vf @ 350mA, Tint color coordinates xc,yc and the final OTF output at perhaps 1.75A). I have an Integrating Sphere and a Color Analyzer to my disposal. I will post the results here when done.

Thanks djozz. I stand by my original post. Amazing dissecting on the led. There is not a hope in this world it would work again if I went near it with a scalpel.

Sure there is… just practice on yourself first… J)

Excellent slicing & dicing!
You had fabulous pictures already & now an animated gif?
The forum doesn’t accept animated avatars, right? :smiley:

thanks for the answer djozz. The images work perfectly with my semi-crossed vision :slight_smile:

I have.

Ugggh, I hate it when that happens… there goes half your love life for a while… J)

Ouch! That happened not long ago

In fact, I believe it does, Johnnymac had one, and a few others.

MRsDNF, buddy, I think you need leather work gloves. Don’t want to ever cut a tendon. :ghost:

That cut was pretty deep, yes?

Djozz: Yea, Johnnymac’s shinning eyes!

Yay I won!! :party: Thank you for the giveaway!

Nice LED surgery too! :bigsmile:

Ouch!! :_( Can you get some kevlar gloves? I want a pair now I know they exist, for my knive sharpening. I don’t think even level 5 can protect from cutting machinery though.

The problem with gloves is, they can turn a minor slip into a major one. An incident with bare hands that might just give you a little nick, when wearing gloves, they can get snagged and wrapped around the spinning tooling and then you have much bigger problems.

Just thinking about it snagging is making me shudder. :ghost:


As promised here is a test of the Luxeon Q that I was lucky to get from Djozz.

I reflowed the LED on a XP-G board from IS with Lodestar solder paste, almost 3 years old, re-juvenated successfully using drops of isopropyl alcohol.

Vf and Output was measured before it was mounted in a P60 pill and output measured again after. Finally it was mounted in a Solarforce L2 copy.
Then the output at high current and the tint in the hotspot was measured.
There was a yellow center spot in the hotspot, but it disappeared when I tried another reflector (for XM-L).
Outside the hotspot there was a broad (weak) yellowish ring and then the purplish spill. I often see that pattern for XM-L but not so often for XP-G.

Results:
At 350mA: Vf = 2.90 V, Output = 140 lm, In the pill with reflector: 121 lm
In the host at 1.42 A: Output = 360 lm, sagging to 330 after half a minute.
Tint with reflector 1: The Tint was measured to xc,yc = 0.326,0.344 with offset 5 CIELuv*) to the greenish side of the black body curve. That places the tint near the middle of Bin 2B. CCT = 5780.

Tint with reflector 2: The Tint was measured to xc,yc = 0.322,0.337 with offset 3 CIELuv*) to the greenish side of the black body curve. That places the tint near the bottom left of Bin 2B. CCT = 5985.

*) CIELuv is used to judge the distance between colors. 1 CIELuv is the smallest difference the eye can see so 5 or 3 is not much but can be seen in comparison between two lights.

Conclusion:
I like that the output from this Luxeon Q is like Cree's R4-R5. It is only specified to 1A but calculations indicate that in a "normal" host, eg. Solarforce L2, the critical junction temperature 150'C would first be reached at a little over 2 Amp. I also like that the tint is fairly close to the black body curve (pure white).
I do not like the (weak) yellowish zone outside the hotspot. Perhaps this is due to yellow light coming out sideways. I think XP-G/2 (but not XM-L) are better at this point.

Got mine today. Wondering what I should put it in first. Seems like a smallish, reflectored, 18650 type light might be the ticket. Thank you djozz.

Sphere results?

The emitter finally showed up a couple of weeks ago after its world cruise (gotta love the post office). I haven’t had time to test it yet.

I mounted the Luxeon Q on a 20mm Noctigon that was mounted on a fan cooled heatsink and then crammed it onto the Sphere 'o Many Mysteries. My Q maxed out at around 3.0 amps/525 lumens/3.54 Vf.

http://imageshack.com/a/img546/9262/jpn6.gif

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Here is the raw data:

- Luxeon Q -
LEDi LEDv LUMENS
0.001 2.649 2.369
0.004 2.656 4.373
0.006 2.685 6.158
0.016 2.700 8.199
0.039 2.705 10.422
0.046 2.707 12.207
0.048 2.708 14.321
0.049 2.719 16.179
0.050 2.747 18.038
0.051 2.754 19.969
0.053 2.757 22.046
0.056 2.761 23.941
0.070 2.762 25.654
0.089 2.763 27.585
0.094 2.766 29.261
0.097 2.768 31.010
0.098 2.782 32.832
0.100 2.792 34.727
0.102 2.799 36.440
0.102 2.805 38.080
0.111 2.811 40.011
0.131 2.813 41.724
0.141 2.815 43.400
0.146 2.816 45.076
0.148 2.816 46.753
0.148 2.817 48.392
0.150 2.819 50.178
0.151 2.823 51.891
0.154 2.832 53.749
0.171 2.845 55.389
0.187 2.853 57.138
0.196 2.857 58.668
0.197 2.862 60.381
0.199 2.864 61.948
0.201 2.867 63.806
0.204 2.869 65.373
0.212 2.869 66.977
0.232 2.871 68.617
0.243 2.872 70.329
0.246 2.873 72.078
0.246 2.877 73.755
0.247 2.880 75.394
0.249 2.881 77.107
0.253 2.887 78.783
0.258 2.893 80.387
0.266 2.899 82.209
0.286 2.903 83.848
0.295 2.908 85.598
0.296 2.909 87.092
0.297 2.912 88.768
0.301 2.912 90.371
0.306 2.913 92.084
0.308 2.918 93.979
0.322 2.916 95.619
0.339 2.921 97.404
0.345 2.924 99.007
0.346 2.927 100.866
0.351 2.930 102.506
0.353 2.934 104.182
0.356 2.936 105.822
0.366 2.944 107.425
0.382 2.943 109.174
0.394 2.954 110.850
0.396 2.958 112.563
0.399 2.966 114.167
0.403 2.961 115.989
0.405 2.963 117.592
0.410 2.966 119.159
0.426 2.967 120.835
0.441 2.968 122.657
0.444 2.972 124.333
0.445 2.974 125.900
0.448 2.976 127.540
0.452 2.977 129.326
0.455 2.981 130.929
0.461 2.984 132.605
0.476 2.985 134.172
0.491 2.987 135.848
0.494 2.992 137.379
0.495 2.998 138.836
0.500 3.000 140.658
0.504 3.003 142.371
0.509 3.006 143.938
0.518 3.010 145.359
0.537 3.012 146.963
0.542 3.012 148.785
0.545 3.015 150.315
0.549 3.016 151.918
0.554 3.018 153.667
0.558 3.023 155.599
0.574 3.023 157.384
0.587 3.024 159.097
0.592 3.024 160.628
0.595 3.027 162.377
0.599 3.027 163.834
0.602 3.030 165.474
0.607 3.034 167.114
0.622 3.033 168.827
0.638 3.038 170.138
0.641 3.042 171.632
0.644 3.042 173.236
0.648 3.048 174.876
0.650 3.055 176.770
0.654 3.060 178.337
0.667 3.059 180.050
0.688 3.060 181.617
0.691 3.061 183.184
0.693 3.062 184.969
0.697 3.062 186.573
0.700 3.063 187.848
0.702 3.061 189.524
0.715 3.065 191.274
0.731 3.067 192.840
0.738 3.067 194.189
0.741 3.069 195.974
0.746 3.072 197.541
0.748 3.072 199.108
0.751 3.073 200.639
0.763 3.077 202.278
0.782 3.078 203.991
0.786 3.081 205.522
0.789 3.081 206.979
0.796 3.082 208.400
0.798 3.086 210.149
0.802 3.092 211.571
0.819 3.092 213.138
0.832 3.095 214.777
0.834 3.098 216.344
0.838 3.100 217.984
0.844 3.102 219.733
0.848 3.101 221.373
0.855 3.104 223.049
0.872 3.103 224.616
0.881 3.103 226.183
0.883 3.103 227.786
0.887 3.105 229.171
0.891 3.107 230.665
0.897 3.108 232.451
0.904 3.109 233.908
0.923 3.107 235.439
0.931 3.112 237.334
0.933 3.110 238.901
0.936 3.112 240.212
0.940 3.115 241.670
0.946 3.118 243.201
0.959 3.116 244.840
0.975 3.116 246.262
0.980 3.124 247.683
0.981 3.128 249.286
0.987 3.127 250.744
0.995 3.133 252.311
0.996 3.135 253.586
1.002 3.140 255.044
1.018 3.138 256.319
1.027 3.140 257.667
1.031 3.144 259.125
1.037 3.146 260.765
1.038 3.147 262.477
1.041 3.145 261.639
1.043 3.151 263.133
1.047 3.152 264.591
1.057 3.154 266.158
1.076 3.155 267.652
1.081 3.157 269.000
1.088 3.159 270.822
1.092 3.161 272.134
1.096 3.163 274.247
1.105 3.165 275.741
1.122 3.164 277.017
1.132 3.163 278.292
1.134 3.170 279.641
1.140 3.166 281.062
1.141 3.171 282.446
1.145 3.172 283.758
1.155 3.175 285.398
1.179 3.174 286.710
1.184 3.179 288.168
1.186 3.182 289.479
1.190 3.187 290.828
1.191 3.186 292.285
1.194 3.189 293.050
1.201 3.194 294.690
1.226 3.196 296.294
1.232 3.198 297.715
1.235 3.200 298.990
1.239 3.199 300.375
1.242 3.200 301.650
1.248 3.202 303.181
1.256 3.203 304.602
1.275 3.202 305.841
1.282 3.202 307.116
1.286 3.198 308.173
1.288 3.201 309.558
1.291 3.203 310.906
1.295 3.205 312.145
1.302 3.205 313.275
1.294 3.205 312.983
1.294 3.203 312.072
1.324 3.206 313.639
1.331 3.208 316.372
1.339 3.210 319.214
1.342 3.211 320.708
1.345 3.213 321.401
1.348 3.213 321.729
1.343 3.212 321.911
1.341 3.211 321.109
1.343 3.210 322.822
1.346 3.212 320.818
1.370 3.216 323.186
1.381 3.219 325.263
1.384 3.222 327.049
1.388 3.226 328.434
1.390 3.229 329.636
1.397 3.233 330.729
1.407 3.237 332.333
1.425 3.239 333.790
1.429 3.242 334.592
1.430 3.242 336.195
1.435 3.247 337.034
1.440 3.247 338.491
1.446 3.249 339.548
1.461 3.251 340.750
1.473 3.253 341.880
1.472 3.253 341.880
1.481 3.253 344.249
1.480 3.253 344.504
1.486 3.255 345.998
1.491 3.255 347.455
1.492 3.257 348.476
1.503 3.257 349.788
1.523 3.258 350.954
1.529 3.260 352.156
1.531 3.261 353.541
1.533 3.261 354.671
1.537 3.262 355.800
1.541 3.260 357.076
1.556 3.262 358.570
1.570 3.263 359.699
1.578 3.263 361.084
1.580 3.262 362.214
1.584 3.264 363.343
1.586 3.266 364.473
1.588 3.266 365.603
1.598 3.267 366.878
1.619 3.271 368.080
1.623 3.273 369.283
1.627 3.276 370.340
1.631 3.276 371.542
1.635 3.279 372.526
1.638 3.282 373.838
1.648 3.282 374.931
1.663 3.285 376.134
1.670 3.285 377.045
1.673 3.288 378.211
1.684 3.291 380.434
1.686 3.293 381.673
1.691 3.294 382.656
1.703 3.297 383.531
1.715 3.296 384.661
1.718 3.297 384.806
1.720 3.296 385.972
1.722 3.300 386.774
1.727 3.299 388.013
1.733 3.301 388.851
1.739 3.304 389.835
1.752 3.300 391.147
1.764 3.303 392.313
1.767 3.304 393.151
1.770 3.305 394.317
1.773 3.306 395.265
1.777 3.310 396.321
1.780 3.312 397.305
1.793 3.311 398.982
1.809 3.312 399.820
1.817 3.316 400.876
1.818 3.316 401.787
1.822 3.320 402.881
1.828 3.320 403.755
1.832 3.321 404.739
1.836 3.322 405.832
1.845 3.323 406.743
1.859 3.323 407.691
1.867 3.322 408.711
1.871 3.329 409.658
1.875 3.328 410.679
1.880 3.334 411.808
1.886 3.337 412.792
1.907 3.341 415.161
1.915 3.336 415.963
1.921 3.341 417.092
1.927 3.342 418.149
1.929 3.345 418.878
1.934 3.343 419.862
1.938 3.339 420.882
1.950 3.341 421.720
1.960 3.340 422.777
1.968 3.346 423.469
1.974 3.347 424.781
1.980 3.346 425.692
1.982 3.348 427.040
1.986 3.349 427.186
1.994 3.350 428.206
2.016 3.352 429.373
2.019 3.349 430.284
2.024 3.353 430.721
2.026 3.354 431.996
2.031 3.355 433.417
2.032 3.356 433.745
2.050 3.355 434.073
2.064 3.358 435.968
2.066 3.357 436.478
2.069 3.360 436.551
2.075 3.361 437.936
2.076 3.362 438.118
2.081 3.364 439.977
2.083 3.364 440.195
2.095 3.366 441.216
2.114 3.367 442.163
2.119 3.371 442.965
2.121 3.372 443.912
2.125 3.377 444.860
2.128 3.376 445.698
2.137 3.381 446.682
2.151 3.382 447.520
2.161 3.383 448.285
2.167 3.385 449.232
2.170 3.387 449.998
2.171 3.385 450.726
2.176 3.387 451.528
2.180 3.390 452.293
2.188 3.391 453.277
2.200 3.391 454.006
2.212 3.393 454.844
2.217 3.393 455.755
2.220 3.395 456.375
2.225 3.395 457.395
2.227 3.394 458.124
2.233 3.395 458.743
2.242 3.397 459.836
2.259 3.395 460.529
2.270 3.399 462.861
2.274 3.399 463.444
2.276 3.399 464.318
2.277 3.399 464.428
2.283 3.398 464.829
2.295 3.401 465.557
2.309 3.402 466.323
2.314 3.402 466.906
2.317 3.404 467.635
2.321 3.404 468.473
2.325 3.404 469.165
2.328 3.407 470.040
2.335 3.405 470.586
2.352 3.412 471.315
2.362 3.412 472.007
2.366 3.408 472.554
2.369 3.411 473.574
2.373 3.415 474.157
2.376 3.411 475.032
2.383 3.417 475.834
2.394 3.416 476.635
2.409 3.419 477.364
2.415 3.419 477.874
2.419 3.421 478.603
2.428 3.427 479.405
2.438 3.429 481.591
2.443 3.429 481.518
2.447 3.429 482.429
2.454 3.430 482.174
2.461 3.432 482.830
2.469 3.432 483.377
2.471 3.432 484.506
2.474 3.434 485.162
2.482 3.433 485.818
2.494 3.433 486.547
2.505 3.434 487.130
2.517 3.437 488.187
2.517 3.437 489.608
2.521 3.438 489.280
2.522 3.438 489.936
2.540 3.438 490.519
2.538 3.442 491.576
2.549 3.441 491.612
2.559 3.443 493.288
2.560 3.444 493.252
2.563 3.446 493.143
2.569 3.447 493.762
2.573 3.450 494.382
2.581 3.448 494.965
2.602 3.452 496.641
2.605 3.455 496.859
2.604 3.454 496.568
2.608 3.454 496.969
2.613 3.453 497.807
2.623 3.454 498.135
2.621 3.459 498.681
2.627 3.459 499.228
2.640 3.460 499.775
2.648 3.462 500.394
2.656 3.462 500.831
2.658 3.463 501.123
2.662 3.463 501.669
2.667 3.466 503.127
2.669 3.467 502.726
2.680 3.468 503.127
2.688 3.468 503.783
2.697 3.467 504.038
2.710 3.472 504.548
2.711 3.474 505.168
2.716 3.475 505.459
2.721 3.475 506.552
2.730 3.479 506.698
2.754 3.482 508.010
2.750 3.480 508.192
2.754 3.481 508.010
2.759 3.482 508.484
2.763 3.483 508.957
2.769 3.485 509.395
2.778 3.487 510.051
2.785 3.487 510.233
2.794 3.489 511.035
2.806 3.487 510.998
2.807 3.487 511.581
2.814 3.488 511.690
2.820 3.488 512.273
2.830 3.490 513.330
2.828 3.489 513.148
2.835 3.489 512.929
2.838 3.491 513.585
2.831 3.491 513.367
2.842 3.490 513.913
2.852 3.491 514.241
2.864 3.493 514.788
2.866 3.494 514.788
2.863 3.498 515.480
2.874 3.496 515.553
2.882 3.498 516.209
2.886 3.497 516.136
2.887 3.500 516.792
2.892 3.504 516.938
2.888 3.504 517.011
2.898 3.505 517.375
2.910 3.510 517.557
2.913 3.506 518.578
2.917 3.501 518.286
2.920 3.507 518.468
2.927 3.504 518.651
2.929 3.513 518.906
2.945 3.508 519.634
2.950 3.514 519.671
2.957 3.517 520.181
2.956 3.515 520.473
2.963 3.516 520.254
2.967 3.521 521.347
2.965 3.519 520.946
2.974 3.517 520.946
2.975 3.523 521.201
2.995 3.525 521.602
3.006 3.524 521.967
3.006 3.524 521.967
3.008 3.525 522.076
3.009 3.524 522.513
3.016 3.526 522.513
3.018 3.526 522.768
3.029 3.529 522.878
3.028 3.528 523.534
3.023 3.527 523.206
3.044 3.529 523.351
3.052 3.529 523.716
3.058 3.530 523.971
3.064 3.530 524.335
3.071 3.529 524.262
3.097 3.530 525.028
3.104 3.533 524.736
3.106 3.534 524.845
3.114 3.536 525.173
3.118 3.538 525.501
3.123 3.539 525.355
3.133 3.541 525.465
3.180 3.539 525.683
3.147 3.541 525.611
3.153 3.542 525.611
3.229 3.545 525.829
3.251 3.544 526.084
3.264 3.548 526.048
3.253 3.550 526.121
3.221 3.551 526.303
3.240 3.553 526.157
3.226 3.553 526.230
3.235 3.554 526.157
3.242 3.556 526.303
3.252 3.557 526.230
3.250 3.556 526.194
3.253 3.561 526.266
3.264 3.561 526.594
3.274 3.564 526.485
3.274 3.564 526.522
3.276 3.566 526.813
3.267 3.565 526.667
3.304 3.567 526.594
3.322 3.567 526.449
3.321 3.568 526.631
3.323 3.569 526.704
3.330 3.568 526.558
3.320 3.569 526.449
3.322 3.570 526.594
3.332 3.569 526.485
3.347 3.569 526.594
3.357 3.570 526.376
3.373 3.569 526.303
3.378 3.572 526.230
3.392 3.571 526.303
3.397 3.573 526.303
3.404 3.572 526.230
3.409 3.573 526.194
3.415 3.574 526.194
3.426 3.576 526.121
3.436 3.577 526.194
3.441 3.576 526.011
3.449 3.579 525.902
3.450 3.579 525.939
3.453 3.577 525.720
3.456 3.579 525.611
3.467 3.580 525.574
3.477 3.582 525.611
3.485 3.581 525.392
3.496 3.585 525.501
3.497 3.587 525.319
3.499 3.587 525.137
3.504 3.588 524.991
3.510 3.592 524.845
3.525 3.590 524.736
3.533 3.597 524.554
3.538 3.595 524.372
3.544 3.599 524.335
3.547 3.599 524.153
3.551 3.599 523.898
3.553 3.600 523.752
3.556 3.600 523.534
3.561 3.604 523.461
3.567 3.604 523.278
3.569 3.607 523.133
3.581 3.611 522.950
3.587 3.610 522.768
3.590 3.612 522.622
3.594 3.611 522.440
3.594 3.614 522.331
3.593 3.615 522.149
3.598 3.614 522.149
3.601 3.615 522.003
3.603 3.615 521.894
3.604 3.615 521.675
3.613 3.620 521.529
3.619 3.623 521.384
3.630 3.625 521.238
3.644 3.627 521.019
3.649 3.627 520.764
3.652 3.627 520.545
3.653 3.630 520.327
3.660 3.628 520.108
3.668 3.630 519.853
3.672 3.630 519.671
3.686 3.632 519.416
3.697 3.632 519.197
3.698 3.632 518.869
3.699 3.633 518.578
3.701 3.632 518.468
3.704 3.634 518.213
3.707 3.634 517.958
3.714 3.635 517.776
3.721 3.635 517.375
3.729 3.636 517.229
3.740 3.637 517.084
3.746 3.635 516.792
3.748 3.638 516.537
3.750 3.639 516.282
3.755 3.638 515.881
3.757 3.640 515.590
3.764 3.640 515.371
3.775 3.639 515.079
3.786 3.640 514.788
3.792 3.641 514.460
3.794 3.642 514.241
3.795 3.643 513.950
3.796 3.642 513.913
3.797 3.644 513.622
3.799 3.643 513.367
3.800 3.644 513.075
3.804 3.649 512.929
3.828 3.653 512.492
3.840 3.652 511.873
3.842 3.662 511.581
3.856 3.668 511.035
3.864 3.670 510.488
3.857 3.662 510.124
3.866 3.662 509.613
3.877 3.662 509.285
3.884 3.661 508.921
3.892 3.665 508.557
3.893 3.665 508.302
3.893 3.665 507.828
3.899 3.665 507.536
3.902 3.667 506.953
3.909 3.668 506.334
3.922 3.667 506.006
3.938 3.668 505.569
3.944 3.670 504.949
3.947 3.671 504.330
3.949 3.670 503.965
3.949 3.671 503.819
3.952 3.671 503.528
3.964 3.671 502.981
3.976 3.671 502.508
3.986 3.672 501.888
3.990 3.672 501.414
3.992 3.671 500.977
3.992 3.673 500.758
3.993 3.671 500.467
3.996 3.673 499.957
3.999 3.671 499.665
4.000 3.671 499.410

nice dome-slicing method :slight_smile: i tried it before, but nto the paperclip method. Im guessing you have givenall the luzeons away by now ? if not i can find a use for them.