Rating: LighTake.com

Hi guys, any comment from Daniel on the fake Solarforce lights? I updated the seller profile with some positive comments (sells Mrlite now) and some negative points (sells fake Solarforce). And you guys who have bought products from Lightake, would you mind giving them a 1 to 5 star rating on the little star rating widget on the first post of this thread? Thanks!

This post ranks rather high on Google searches about Lightake, so your opinion counts here. ;)

Sorry if I sound rude but if you really expect any kind of compensation in this case I think china/hk-shopping might not be your thing.

I really can't rate them until I give them a chance to compensate me for selling me a counterfeit Solarforce. I wrote them a day or two ago, and will give them a little time to correct the problem, before passing judgement.

I can assure you that unless you are a major importer of goods from china/hk, I have probably bought and sold more goods from there in the past 30 years, than you could even imagine. It's not that I "expect" them to compensate me for this, as I have no previous dealings with them to base an expectation of actions on. I would "expect" that any legitimate businessman, that plans on staying in business, would want to establish a reputation of honesty and integrity. There has been a long term problem of counterfeit goods flowing out of that region. If we all just sit idly by and let it happen, it's obvious that the problem will only get worse. The least I can do when I encounter these practices, is to point them out, so that others don't get caught by the same scam. A lot of time, I think the sellers like Lightake, aren't even aware that they are selling bogus goods. And trust me, my credit card company will be more than willing to get my money back if/when it comes to that.

WYSIWYG of these shops, period. Pretty honest and upright in my book.

Last time I checked this was a budget flashlight forum, not an anti piracy forum.

Ah, now I know where you're coming from.

Well, that's your perspective, fair enough. But in my opinion it much healthier to drop brand name thinking when buying from hk/china, because it just doesn't have the same meaning over there as in western countries. For me, there is no such thing as a genuine Romisen, because there are probably different Romisen makers in HK anyway (and btw, i did receive a bad quality Romisen rc-f7). HK stuff per se can't be genuine for me (in the context of those free shipping stores, that is).

It's a different story when they offer e.g. "genuine eneloops" and then ship fakes.

For me "eneloops" is the same as "genuine eneloops".

OTOH, if I see "eneloop-type batteries" I know it can be anything. But the previous two are synonyms for me.

I got my shipment from lightake today. So the positives are they shipped pretty quickly (12 days Hong Kong to Atlanta) and for free, it was easy to set up an account and purchase a light, and they take PayPal so you have some protection if the item isn't as described. The item I bought was listed as a Solarforce L2 with extension tube for a second 18650 battery for only $10.82 which is unbelievably low. I even asked Daniel here if it was a genuine Solarforce and he assured me it was. But it is definitely fake. He also sells more expensive Solarforce lights which may be the real thing. I don't know if Daniel realized they were fake, but he should have found out rather than just say it was genuine. As a P60 host, even a fake Solarforce is pretty good, so I'm not going to ask for a discount or my money back, but I'm only giving him 3 stars.

I'm really sorry brted ,when you asked me weather the solarforce body is genuine or not ,i have confired to our supplier ,and he tell me that it is genuine,so i reply you it is genuine.but when more and more people asked the same question ,i notice that the supplier must tell a lie to me ,I'm really sorry for that.Please forgive our mistake.

Daniel

Apology accepted. It would make it seem more sincere if you would remove the fakes from your website or at least modify the description to warn people that they are not actually Solarforce hosts.

I personally don't mind buying fakes, as long as they are clearly labelled as fakes. Often fakes are "good enough" for me and they cost less. It's when they purport to be the real thing and I buy it expecting the real thing as brted was that it's really irritating. Or if they sell the fake for the same price as the genuine item, that's also unacceptable.

I agree, though I think it's better to label them (at the factory; if they've already printed Solarforce on them you just have to sell them as fakes) as Uniquefire L2, Ultrafire WF-504B, etc. which are the same thing as these fake Solarforce bodies. Even with an off-brand name, these could still be worthwhile purchases.

I have originals and prefer the look/design of the copies will probably buy one just so I can give my mom one without a sharp bezel.

Thanks brted , and i will follow your advice !

Removing them completly would be a shame. They are such nice hosts for such a low price. Maybe lightake can ask the manufacturer to just not print "Solarforce" on the bodies and maybe do new neutral product photos for the website. Maybe a new lightake.com brand ? "Randomfire" would be a good name ;-)

or "Lightfire" haha

It's a fake SolarForce so I kind of like what brted called it.........SolarFARCE. Laughing

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Decided since it was payday yesterday I'd treat myself to a Trustfire Z1 and one of the MrLite AAA lights. Now to see how soon they get to me. Anything under two weeks will be very good as the post from HK can easily take longer than that. I have an idea of the profit margin on the second one and they aren't losing money on it even with the 10% discount.

I've always been astonished by how no retailer will ever reveal their profit margin, I do not have a problem with people making a profit, even a big profit. My father was once MD of a company (AURIS) selling the world's first MRI scanners. They cost around $300,000 to build and were selling for in excess of a million dollars (1980 prices). But the medical market doesn't care about price by and large.

Don, you said you work in a hospital. Are you a doctor?