Malaysia Air mystery plane - carrying lithium battery cargo

Er no, that is indeed a remarkably good safety record. Hint: human error isn’t a technical problem with the airliner, and half the ‘incidents’ you list are purely human error or deliberate human malice (the hijackings). One incident with three fatalities that could be blamed on the aircraft and its systems, in the entire operating history of the airliner, over all its flights and miles flown? For a plane that’s been in service almost 20 years, with over a thousand of them operating? Yes that is stunningly good.

This is a very interesting article, sounds plausible. Read

I have 4 18650's from FT thats been missing since February 12 shipped via Malaysian Post. They left for the US and never arrived.

Well they are. But there are sovereignty issues too.

Austrlaia is looking a couple of thousand KMs off Perth. The search area is in the millions of square miles, its not exacltly easy to locate, real needle in a haystack stuff. Last I heard there were signs they had found something. But I havent been paying attention since so maybe it was nothing. Even the US has planes out there. If it is there the water is apparently many KMS deep, freezing cold, and some of the most remote ocean on earth, and a calm sea there is still rough, not that its calm for long. Recovery might not be simple.

I have no input on the changes to systems though, except read the link below.

I read that a couple of days ago (might have been yesterday), sounds very plausible.

WHAAAT, NOOOOO, but I have few cells from wallbuys shipped via MY :expressionless:
P.S. If google can’t find missing plane, no one can :wink:

I was aiming at this particular incident:

The type’s second hull-loss occurred on July 29, 2011, when an EgyptAir 777-200ER registered as SU-GBP suffered a cockpit fire while parked at the gate at Cairo International Airport.[222] The plane was successfully evacuated with no injuries,[222] and airport fire teams extinguished the fire.[223] The aircraft sustained structural, heat and smoke damage. This aircraft was written off.[222][223] Investigators focused on a possible electrical fault with a supply hose in the cockpit crew oxygen system.[222]

Call it harsh, but after seeing what boeing is “capable off” regarding battery fiasco on dreamliner I would recommend them to start considering lawn mower production as their core business or make some serious changes in engineering department asap.

http://dms.ntsb.gov/public%2F54000-54499%2F54251%2F520429.pdf

Just take a look at the picture on page 10. Even slightly retarded ape could see that this is seriously wrong…

Anyone can call mistakes silly, obvious, etc. once things have already gone wrong.

The 777 is and has been one of the most reliable aircraft in the world for over a decade.
Being able to fly three hours with just one engine isn't a small feat.

When engineers design things (I don't know about all engineers, only myself), the purpose is not to make something infallible. There has to be a compromise somewhere. Weight, cost, features, etc. A plane is made of literally millions of parts. Iirc, the A380 is around 6 million parts. You'd need a PhD in materials and specialised alloys to understand why a single turbine blade is manufactured precisely so.

If you naysayers think Boeing is doing a bad job, why not start your own aircraft design company? It can't be that hard right? After all, the problems the aircraft encounter are simple, obvious and crude. Anyone with half a brain could avoid them. Better yet, be an aircraft consultant and tell Boeing what's going to go wrong next. Earn millions.

A plane that is designed never to fail at all will never get off the ground.

it’s not engineers i’m worried about…it is machining…like machining fake aircraft parts…when i saw on nat geo the episode of air crash investigation about this i couldn’t believe what happened back in the 80’s…i think we can’t even imagine what happens today

I’m not saying that building or designing a plane is an easy job, quite the contrary. As everything in this world compromises are unavoidable but there is a big difference between making a reasonable compromise and making a blatant mistake. There can be no (IMHO) excuse of any kind for installing backup battery (last source of power for vital systems and last straw of hope in case of emergency) above main battery other than pure incompetency or blatant cost savings. Even more disturbing fact is that something like that gets approved…

Either whole system sucks or someone is deliberately cutting corners and costs to make it’s pockets even more full.

I’m in no way related to aircraft industry but you would be surprised how total stranger in certain field can spot things that are not evident even to experts…

The ten Sanyo UR18650ZY 2600 mAh that I ordered from WallBuys last 01 January 2014 arrived two days ago - finally - after more than 2 months ‘transporting’. They were also shipped through Malaysia Mail. :slight_smile:

At least I’m pretty sure the cells that might have caused this chaos are not mine. :stuck_out_tongue:

There is hope; visual sightings of debris, Australian and Chinese satellites have also picked up large floating objects.
http://www.newsdaily.com/asia/af5847b9a2c6591c35dac1541b4929f8/sightings-boost-search-for-missing-malaysia-plane

Best info I have read suggests the plane is sitting either in Pakistan or Iran, and for political reasons its being covered up for now. Too much info has leaked on the radical pilot and two Iranian’s with stolen passports to assume some mechanical issue.

When I got out of the Marines and was trying to get my A&P license at Embry Riddle in Houston just off the end of the runway at Hobby airport, there was a joke told by one of the instructors, an airplane will get signed off when the paperwork outweighs the plane itself…I can believe it as just on the maintenance side the paperwork is INSANE!

Aliens. Abduction. :open_mouth: :ghost:

No no…black hole

Just read two more articles trying to blame the “crash” on the battery cargo.One expert went on to say that a battery fire would explain why the jet climbed to 45K feet.Wow, batteries can make a jet go way up high and way down low.I guess I’ll have to leave my 18650’s, tablet,cell phone and power packs at home when I go on spring break.Better charge up my eneloops.I’m sure the TSA is going to jump all over this sh J)

It’s all over: “The Malaysian Prime Minister has confirmed that flight ‪#‎MH370‬ ended its flight in the Southern Indian Ocean Flight MH370 'crashed in south Indian Ocean' - Malaysia PM - BBC News

It’s funny how many of the sources go back to the Daily-Mail- Fail.

Actually, now seems the manifest shows it was 440 lbs or 200 KG of li-ion batteries. Not seen any sizes or brands.
The airline called this ‘safe’ and insists it was packed according to industry standards.

I would not mind driving a truck carrying that amount. I would just as soon not fly over some of the world’s most desolate oceans with that on board. There is a reason many airlines will not ship li-ions.