Entirely probable.
I guess you mean the surface area covered in phosphor that emits light? The relevant bit to throw improvements? I had assumed we were talking about which mcpcbs would suit, my bad.
Here's my comparison. The photo provided by CREE for the XP-L is not the best, but in my calculations the die is just a bit smaller than XM-L2.
A picture is worth a thousand words. Is that a rough surface, (pyramids), on the phosphor? Like the MT-G2? If so, then it won’t throw very well.
theoretical 1500 lumens @3a on triple noticon
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I wonder if they are plug-n-play compatible with the xp series carlco optics.
Maybe time for developing a 4.5v battery at about 6000mA and a high drain rating, with very low resistance.
it’s all speculation to this point. possibly removed from the datasheet on purpose to hide variance/future changes
given the cree ‘HD’ trend of xp-e -> xq-e, xp-g -> xb-h though it would make sense the xp-l is the same die size as xm-l (2x2mm)
should provide an interesting test of thermal coupling between the xm and xp packages at the very least!
Having a xp-size thermal pad, the XP-L can expect to handle heat somewhat worse than the XM-L2, at high current. But only testing that will give the real answer.
Could be, that is interesting to be seen as that thermal pad is a bottle neck. XM-L2 and XP-L are both rated 2.5 °C/W thermal resistance.
Yup.
It’s the XML version of the XBH. Basically just an XML2 in a trimmed package…. no no improvement for throwers.
For flashlights, main use I can see is this might be usable on 20mm triple XPG stars. I’m not sure it will fit in the Carclo optics though, as the dome is larger than an XPG dome.
Been waiting for cree to make this public. DBCstm shared info on XP-L two weeks ago. Now, a bit more waiting until its available to purchase.
Oh I need those to upgrade a few SK68’s (I don’t have any non-zoomable throwers with XP-G stars yet)…imagine being able to use the same die size board, and having the teeny weeny emitter be able to push as much light as an XM-L w/o changing the zoomed out die pattern, nice!
I want one right now J)
Why wouldn’t this change the zoomed out die pattern? I would think that the effect will be similar to installing an XM-L based on the die size and the viewing angle.
The XM-L2 has a 2.0x2.0mm die just like the XM-L. I measured an XM-L die just now, I do not have a dedomed XM-L2 to measure. It was 2x2mm. Based on my comparison of the mechanical drawings in the datasheets, the dome for the XP-L is smaller than the dome for the XM-L2, even considering the chopped-off portions. Cree likes to re-use dies where they can, I’d say that it’s a very safe bet that this die is going to be shared between XM-L2 and XP-L. Worth noting is that the mechanical dimension drawings in the datasheet are sloppily photoshopped. I’m sure they’ll revise them. BTW where did you find the top-down XP-L picture?
Those are the normal dots, I think they showed up on second generation XM and XP series LEDs.
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I've been eyeing these for a while now, we'll see how they pan out. I have a few of the XB-D or H? I can't remember the exact designation, but the product photos make the dome look much more frosted than it looks in person.
Yep the die is 2*2mm as I also measured right now on one of my dedomed XM-L LEDs. Since the domes distort the die sizes I edited that in my post.The top down photo is from the datasheet for the XP-L.
Looks to me like Cree are just going around making their packages smaller but leaving the die alone, and then claiming it's an all new LED. Spose it's good for tight packages, but nothing really advantageous (if not actually worse) for power junkies.
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