Battery Restriction Again? - [14 Apr 2015]

Yuasa’s satellite web page says
“Our lithium ion cells have successfully completed several unique space qualification programs.”

That may be the difference right there — those cells aren’t the ones being sold cheap for consumer use.
Look at the detail they give: http://www.gsyuasa-lp.com/LSE-gen3

Looking at satellite batteries generally, those tests and failure modes are extensive (and published in many instances)
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?&q=related:37twnQn\_-F9fhM:scholar.google.com/

I’d guess that “throwaway” electric nicotine dispensers use cheap cells and chargers, which we know have caused fires
(I doubt they get the appropriate warnings we see routinely on flashlight blogs, either, when people start using li-ion cells)

I don’t know which cells Boeing used — but since they’ve had several fires in the operational aircraft, and there are no reports that they had similar fires during testing as they designed and built the aircraft, something must be different.

“In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice, there is …”

Ah, here’s a reason to look carefully at the manufacturing process — how clean it is and how carefully done:

“Hazardous battery failure, including fires, can be triggered by a number of factors. For example, micrometer-sized metal particles generated during cutting, pressing, grinding, and other manufacturing steps could contaminate the cells. The particles could accumulate and eventually form a short circuit—a conductive contact between the anode and cathode. According to Barnett, experienced manufacturers today use scrupulously clean methods that minimize contamination and therefore that mode of failure……”

That same ACS article also notes

“… lithium dendrites that grow through microscopic pores in the separator and bring the electrodes into direct electrical contact. That short circuit can cause the cells to discharge rapidly and generate a lot of heat.

Choosing a safe cathode is one key aspect of battery construction. But there are trade-offs. LiCoO2 cathodes developed in the early 1990s made Li-ion batteries the commercial success they are today. That material remains popular for consumer electronics because it provides relatively high charge capacity. Yet it is less stable than other cathode materials. At elevated temperatures, LiCoO2 liberates oxygen, which can react with organic cell ­components.

LiMn2O4 tolerates heat better than LiCoO2, but the manganese-based material’s charge capacity is lower, and it too decomposes at high temperature……”

and ends with

“… meanwhile, NTSB investigators working on the JAL 787 case continue combing through electrical- and mass-measurement data and various types of imaging results, searching for the cause of the battery fire. “…. It’s taking some time, but it’s important we get it right.” Knudson adds that the agency will soon issue safety recommendations based on its findings.

The advanced state of today’s Li-ion battery safety and the broad push to drive safety to even higher levels leaves Battery Safety’s Doughty upbeat about the battery’s transportation prospects. “I’m bullish on Li-ion batteries for electric vehicles,” Doughty says, “provided the required safety analysis is completed rigorously.”

Chemical & Engineering News
ISSN 0009-2347
Copyright © American Chemical Society

Just had bangood order cancelled due to not shipping to Australia anymore

same i said but i ordered torch with it if they restrict it i’ll have to cancel whole order.

Would be interesting to hear what changed the policy, can only assume Aus Post is on to them sending batteries and has made issue about the safety declaration?

I have some Sony VTC5’s on the way, I hope they get through… not from BG though…

Fasttech no longer ships batteries to Canada :frowning: I had some NCR18650PF’s paid for, but Fasttech support emailed me saying I can’t ship them via Malaysia post anymore.

Temporary or permanent? My order was shipped within a day. I think they are also rushing to clear all their stocks.

According to their shipping page, temporarily:

Mine was shipped on the 26th, whats the odds they get through

Last time the shipping ban happened, I had ordered a week beforehand and customs returned the shipped batteries back to Fasttech. Fasttech handled it very well, but I still wasted close to a month total waiting for the batteries to ship, return back to shipper after being denied, and then time to process my refund. Keep this in mind if you need batteries urgently (might be better to cancel and buy local).

More is coming out that might make airlines stop carrying them until this gets sorted out.
All you’d need is one dodgy manufacturer cutting corners and some fires in warehouses or trucks to scare the airlines.
We don’t hear reports out of China — either they haven’t had problems like the US has, or they’re not being made public. From ’oogle:

“… One witness said that during the development of the batteries “failures occur in ways that the designer never envisioned.” … asked if they could define failure, but nobody seemed able to because it occurred in so many different ways. One witness volunteered: “You’d better burn some batteries to know what they look like.”
A picture emerged of a technology that was just too appealing to early adopters …. the development of the lithium-ion technology had been driven so hard and so fast that it had outpaced the ability of the FAA regulators to know at what point they could freeze the safety standards they were preparing in order to certify that the 787 was safe to fly.”

and a month ago:

“… Malaysian officials have confirmed that a consignment of lithium-ion batteries was in the cargo hold of Flight MH370. “These are not regarded as dangerous goods,” said the CEO of Malaysian Airlines ….

… Originally, the Malaysians said that the battery consignment weighed 440 pounds. However, the manifest shows a far larger consignment weighing 5,400 pounds in total, alongside a warning that “a flammable hazard exists.” It has now emerged that the batteries were but one part of a consolidated package ….

and
“… the Federal Aviation Administration’s Office of Security and Hazardous Materials Safety keeps a list of incidents involving these batteries. They include:

The hands of a passenger on a Southwest Airlines flight burned when spare lithium-ion batteries for a cell phone melted the zip-top bag in which they were carried, breached the passenger’s carry-on bag and produced smoke and flames.

A package of 18 lithium-ion batteries melted through their plastic wrap and set fire to their outer package at the UPS flight center in Louisville, Kentucky.

A FedEx pilot was taking the jump seat in the cockpit of a flight from Memphis when a lithium-ion battery in a flashlight carried in his backpack caught fire while the airplane was still at the gate.

The FAA cautions that their published list of scores of incidents does not represent all the information collected ….”
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My battery from BG was shipped on the 16th April and still not arrive :frowning:

How did you manage to order batteries from FT to Norway? When I tried, no shipping method seened to be valid.

Worked 3 weeks ago. Not anymore.

Four NCR18650B from WB shipped on April 17th (Sweden post) arrived yesterday.

Two INR26650 from DX purchased on April 14th and “quickly” shipped on May 06th (Swiss post) still flying over the Atlantic Ocean between Dietzenbach and here, I will open dispute now (deadline).

I was trying to place few batteries orders from FT but was in vain. It shows no carrier to select for batteries. DX does but they don’t have the batteries I wanted!

I ordered some from BG on 10th using MY, dispatch alert on 22th. Still normal for me but I’ll see next week if there any updates.

My tracking is showing nothing now anyone elses the same

I ordered some 16340s from DX yesterday and got confirmation email today that it was being shipped out. Will see how it goes.

I just got an email from DX saying a package they sent me was returned because of batteries.

Here's the deal, Chinese customs is not supposed to let batteries out of the country any more via air mail, but we don't know all of the regulations and the sellers don't want to stop making money, so they are illegally trying to get batteries out of the country and sometimes they get caught. It seems that now Customs are finally begrudgingly trying to do what they said they would do many months ago. Soon, if they do follow the new laws, you will not be able to buy those li-ion batteries any more, at least not loose ones, or inside lights. I am sure some will still get through, until they come up with a better way to check outgoing packages, but basically, they are not supposed to allow the batteries out any more.

So i read this on my tracking from BG,

Departured at 2014/5/26 21:57:32 from Flytexpress Sorting Center location

Does this means my order will pass?