Oh god, why ganzo don't know how make a locking system!!!!

And be care with low priced new ganzo models, i saw videos (i can¡t found it now) and only twisting/pushing the handle it can move the liner lock…

I have three ganzos and i like their (copied) designs very much but i don’t know why they don’t test its axis lock designs (again (bad) copied).

That why I don’t feel secure with axis lock, you can’t see if it lock properly. You can fix the linear lock if it is too loose by bending it on the other side.
The safest is a flipper with a guard on your hand so even if the lock mechanism fail it won’t cut your fingers, like the great enlan EL-01.

But you can see the lock with axis lock, you must see the engage of the bar above the blade, if that engage is poor the lock is unsecure. I can see on all my axis lock the amount of steel engaged.
in my case:

Ganzo g710: poor engage.
Ganzo g704/g712: acceptable but not great, at least the bar is deeper on the blade .
Enlan el04: A lot of steel engaging. (but the mechanism is not smooth at all, but al least is secure).

I think the phrase: “the bar is deeper on the blade” is the key in this. And the axis lock is one of the most secure lock in the world IF IT’S WELL MADE.

Don’t know about this statement… Every locks have its weakness and can never be as solid as a fixed blade. Yes you can see on the back of the knife but its not easy and obvious. My ganzo G712 feel secure (pushing it backward and it didn’t budge) but I think its because the spring is stiff and that’s only a very soft test.

If you want something more secure it should have multiple locking security like the real steel E77 flipper : linear lock, finger guard and you can put something in the hole of the blade to make it fixed.

Have you tried Sanrenmu 763 ? Many claim its the best axis lock knife for the money, even better than benchmade.

Maybe you should title this thread ” Why Ganzo don’t know how to COPY a locking system” .

No, i haven’t tried the srm 763, i don’t like very much small blades. Yes there are some folders with various locks, the harnds blazer or the srm t21 for example.
And yes, the axis lock is considered one of the best lock systems in the world. From i saw the triad lock from cold steel and the frame lock of zero tolerance can be the most secure of the planet, and the axis lock of benchmade too. Probably tri ad lock is the first one.
Really the amount of cilinder that put on the blade i think is key on axis lock. And that’s for what the g711 fails.

May be may be… :bigsmile:

YOU CAN EASILY KILL SOMEONE UNINTENTIONALLY!!
AND THEN CALLS THE CHINESE TO GO TO JAIL IN YOUR PLACE!

Is that some sort of game where you have to re-arrange the words to make a sentence that makes sense?

I like the Axis lock, it can be a secure lock if it is made correctly, the Ganzo’s in the videos need either the slots that the bolt runs in elongated or machined further forward or more metal on the tang of the knife.
I have a Ganzo G712 that has decent enough lock-up, secure with the bolt moving 2-3mm onto the tang of the blade, the bolt is just about at the end of it’s travel but not quite.
I have a SanRenMu LB-763, superb Axis copy.
I have an Enlan EL-04MCT with a very good Axis copy.
I have a SanRenMu/Land 6261, very good Axis copy

The problems with quality control on Ganzo knives are the reason that I probably won’t buy any more, xatu has had trouble with the pivot and lock-up on his and although I have no problem with my G712, I have had problems with one of the cheaper Ganzo’s - the G620. I have a Ganzo slip-joint ordered though, and a G706 twin bladed plain and serrated knife - with the oversize pivot that I very seldom use.

It is crazy that the company that copies Benchmade models so closely has the worst record for Axis lock problems.

Come on people. You can’t expect too much from a cheap-ass $10 chinese knife.

Yes, I own one! But it is a cheap-ass chinese knife and nothing more.

The axis lock is good in my G710 sample, but it sounds like many are not. :~

No IMO. I think there are gems in enlan/srm that are very good in the range of 7 - 16$. My enlans and srm could cost 3 times more. But the quality control in ganzos are other thing.

My G710 is incredible smooth but i can see with my eyes how it engages not much lock bar on the blade, however i can’t close with my hands (without unlocking).
My G712 is not as smooth and both pivot screws were with a hard glue. It engages a bit more than my G710
My G704 is not as smooth as G710 but it is quite smooth (without pivot screws problems, i can adjust it) and the lock is like the G712 but… i can see how the lock bar is not straight perfectly like G712 and G710…

3 models of ganzos with axis lock and 3 different behaviors. That is the key, why ganzo can’t make its axis lock exactly equal in G704, G710, G712 (and because i haven’t got more ganzos… but in the videos you can see how it’s the thing!). Ganzo could be my favorite brand due to its (copied) designs but its quality control is worst (a lot) than srm and enlan for sure for me. And the ganzo finish is worst too, with that sharp liners than it doesn’t exist in enlan/srm (for me it isn’t important that, but yes the problems above).

Never had a liner lock fail, dont see any point in looking for another mechanism.

I’ve just tested my brand new G702-G and it passed the spine-whack test without any problem (I used an old wooden chair for the test).

Same here with my Ganzo G704.
I try the same spine-whack test against a table.
Then I hold the knife firmly in a vice and hit it with a wooden stick in the spine.
Amazing knife. It passed the test perfectly.

I just can’t get why anyone would try a potentially destructive test on a perfectly good knife. If you examine the lock and it looks like it won’t stay engaged then don’t use it - polish it up and put it on display - anything but using it.
There is no such thing as a folding knife that won’t fold under pressure, at some point, it just depends whether that point falls within your use. If in doubt use a fixed blade.
Someone once made the statement that “If a knife folds then it is broken.” Yet I’ve managed a lot of years using a slip joint, still got all my fingers and thumbs! Learn what is safe knife practice, don’t apply too much force and none on the spine of a folding knife.

By the way, isti, any chance of you doing a short test of the 7076 along with the 7071 and 7078 soon. :slight_smile:
I’ve got a 7078 on order but I really like the look of the other two as well. :bigsmile:
Also the F3-723 and that big Land, so many knives so little money. :smiley:

What you think makes sense, but when you say:

If you examine the lock and it looks like it won’t stay engaged then don’t use it.

Then maybe we could say:

If you examine the lock and it looks like it will stay engaged then use it.

But then if it ever fails, you would think:_ “I should have tested it better…”_

Having said the above, I must admit that it hurts when it’s my knife being tested
(I love watching abuse tests… on other people’s knives!)