Oh god, why ganzo don't know how make a locking system!!!!

Or, if you are fed up with buying 10 of the $10 knives and break down and buy a real Benchmade… just saying there are times you get what you pay for, and this looks like one of them. Plus you can get a better quality of steel in the blade as well.

Hi Tomas, first thing - your English is fine.

I could have said “If you examine the lock and it looks like it will stay engaged then use it.” If you have the experience to decide if a folding knife of any design will not fail at the task you wish to complete then trust your experience and use that knife.

One of my favourite knives, a really inexpensive classic.

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it was right after watching that video that I ordered my (first) enlan el01. (Still waiting for it)

My Ganzo G-710 performs brilliantly, with a very robust lock that never disappointed.
I think judging a model (let alone a whole brand!!) basing on one’s single experience is not a reliable way to determine wether a product is good or bad.

I do not say that you must hit a spine whack with all your force, but a low hit and bad lock ups show its weakness. I have seen that in fake knives. A low hit do not hurt the knife, and if with a low hit the lock fails almost sure you can with the force of your hands desengage the lock system (lock fail). And a lock that you can with your hands close the knife with the lock engaged is a weak lock and unsecure. I think that. Al least a knife would must resist a low hit. If you pierce a hard material (a simple hard plastic bottle of soap of washing machine) and do not pierce it and lock fail and… fingers…
Yes, we can say use a fixed knife but that tactical heavy duty folders must be useless for something!!.
I bought at the start of collecting knives a beast of knife, 250 gr weight, tanto blade, 4 mm wide blade, the most beast you can imagine, and the liner lock thin like a paper (no literally). A low low low hit veeeery low, almost only drop the weight of the knife and the knife is close, the lock fails. I do not want anymore, never, something like that. Always i see if a knife have good lock for that. A like a lot the ganzo g711 but seeing that videos i will not buy it, and even difficult i will buy more ganzos having three yet.

I’ll post my review about the SRM 7076 soon. :slight_smile:
I’m also interested in the SRM 7071 but I’m still waiting for a different handle color.
I’m not sure about the 7078 because my knife budget is also limited and I prefer locking folders. :wink:
Anyway I’m waiting for your thoughts about the 7078 when you receive it.

I don’t care for the Axis lock, but I don’t see how some folks might be using a folding knife that light reverse pressure on the locking system would be an issue. There is good technique and bad technique. When I use any knife I tend to be careful and let the sharpness of the blade do the cutting, but generally, I cut things with the sharp edge and that doesn’t put any pressure on the locking mechanism at all…but I don’t expect any light pocket folder to be as rugged as a fixed blade.

So a $20 Chinese knife might not be a top-quality unit…that’s hardly surprising…but these knives seem fine to me for $20.

Flipper styles have the blade guard, as does the Spyderco design, but Just for curiosity, check out a Hinderer sometime…it’s a frame lock that’s built like a tank…(they do cost slightly more than $20 though.)

For a very secure but simple lock-up, look at the Cold Steel system…their knives are good quality overall and not expensive.

Cold steel will be cheap in EEUU, not here in EU. For example, a cold steel spartan costs 109€ (148:money_mouth_face: in my country, Spain. And if i buy in EEUU online i must pay taxes and the price can be similar.
However an enlan el01 costs 15$ and no more from China.
I think high quality chinese brand are very good but exactly ganzo with some models… it’s unacceptable (and i like ganzo a lot for other things).

About locking fail: well, if you pierce (stap) on hard thing (hard plastic, wood… i don’t know) with 90º (or more) between the knife and the thing perhaps the force could be that the lock fails. If it’s less than 90º can be more secure yes.

I understand what you’re saying, I am just naturally careful with cutting tools.

I prefer the EL-01 to the Axis models. For the money it’s a usable utility knife, but the blade could use more taper. All of these knives will benefit from re-profiling the edge for better cutting performance…no big deal.

No problem, I thought it had arrived today but it was a Ganzo G725-M, Stockman pattern slip joint.

What are your impressions about it compared to your Rough Riders?

If you want a good slicing Enlan I can recommend the Enlan L05-1. It’s a thin full flat ground blade in a liner lock frame with pretty wooden scales.

Very good, everything lines up perfectly, the H joints where backspring meets blade are spot on. Better quality than the Rough Riders, although some of them can be excellent some can be just adequate.
I wish FastTech did more of the “traditional” style slip-joints. Going on the quality of this one I’d buy more.
The blades are not fingernail breakers either, the blades are secure in place when open but easy to open and close, at 45, 47 and 65mm the blades aren’t very long and some I have of the same length are difficult to open but not this, it’s a lovely small EDC.
The blades are Krupp 4116 steel and the scales look like deep coloured rosewood.

Thanks a lot for your mini review! :beer:
I’ve just added it to my wish list. :slight_smile:

If you want a larger Rough Rider Folder then the Granddaddy Barlow has a 95mm blade and a saw-cut pattern on the bone handle scales.

On the subject of why can’t Ganzo make a secure Axis lock then I think the answer is possibly that they think they are fine as they are, as long as people keep buying them then there’s no need to change them. I bought one to check out the action on a full sized blade with Axis locking. I bought the G-712, the Benchmade 860 Bedlam clone, I liked it a lot but I don’t think that the cheapest Benchmade, the Griptillian, is not to my liking - far too plasticy for the £81 or $150 price. It is the price/value that puts me off. I like the Axis lock fine and believe that Benchmade make them better, the one I handled had the lock bar about half way along the tang and still a few mm to go before the lock bar hit the liners.
As long as people buy them they will still have dodgy quality control, there are a lot more of their range that I would like to try but I’m not risking getting a bad one.

If ganzo company sees this

than you can close its engaged axis lock with a finger!! and they don’t do nothing i will think it very much before to buy a new ganzo. I don’t know if the failures are most in G711 model or if only a group of the same model are bad. But it’s a shame that. It can be very dangerous that you confide in you have a lock system and really you haven’t.

Same here:

I got curious about this “lock failure mass hysteria” and I dug out my G711 from my knife box. In spite of the short travel of the axis bar it passed the spine-whack test flawlessly. I used the same old wooden chair for the test.

My conclusions:
Is the travel of axis bar short? Yes.
Has it passed the dreaded spine-whack test? Yes.
Am I worried about the lock? No.

Then my conclusions are:

Is the axis lock of g711 bad designed? Yes.
All g711 are equals: no, the control quality is not good and some can be worst than others, but all are bad designed (the bar does not engage like it must be).
Can a axis lock that it does not engage well resist a spine whack? Can resist, but, it will be a bad designed lock system and weaker than a well designed.

It is at limit and on some that has a even more limit engage (no QC) then you can close with one finger, in the last video before we can see an enlan el02 engaging well and i can confirm that my el04 engages well too and ALL the lock bar is on the blade, nothing is out of the top blade.

My G712 works perfectly as well, enough of the lockbar on the blade tang for me not to be concerned about using it for anything that I might need to do with it. I can see that the lock is good, no blade play in any direction and the Ω have been adjusted so the lock bar is easier to disengage.

Both of the pivot screws were thread locked but loosened easily.

I will add a side note about the G620’s that I bought, I bought the set of six and one of them had one of the pivot screws so tightly stuck with permanence in mind that I broke a good quality Torx bit on it, this told me two things, some Ganzo pivot screws will not move and the hardware Ganzo uses is hardened.

The knife that I stripped down (to see the type of A/O mechanism) had the tendency to not lock with the A/O spring pressure alone, if it was to engage it had to be flicked as well, after re-assembly (luckily the side that was unstuck was the spring side) it works perfectly. The system is very Kershaw like but looks stronger, the spring was well lubricated and there was no rust anywhere, maybe the liners being coated helps this.

The G620’s are A/O linerlocks. 88mm 440 blade @55HRC so quite soft but easy to sharpen, ABS scales and definitely not a hard use knife but well up to household tasks.

I have recently bought a “tradidional” style Ganzo G725-M three bladed Stockman Pattern slip joint.

65mm, 47mm and 45mm blades in Krupp 4116 steel and it is excellent in fit and finish so Ganzo quality control could be said to be hit and miss.
It won’t stop me buying Ganzo in the future but I will have to really want the knife to buy it.

You amaze me! You don’t even own a G711 but you know better what the problem is with the locking system.
Aren’t you a kind of politican by any chance? :smiley: