Supbeam K50 V2 Mod Thread

Which driver did you got from RMM?

The TN31 and K40 have identical driver layouts. The TN30 has a nominal output voltage of 9.0V for the three XM-L2’s in series. Not so sure about the K50, I’m curious as to how far we can push it. I do have a gut feeling that bridging the sense resistors will be too much for the LED. (> 9.0A)

He hasn’t put it on the site yet, but it’s a new driver. He’s putting it in for me :slight_smile:

:santa: Christmas came earlier…

Not sure if this is already common knowledge or not. But I emailed Bella and asked about whether the light was glued together. She said it isn’t.

Lovely. Thanks for the info, I was getting curious.

I also concern about the focusing of the beam after dedoming the LED. Until now there is no any specific method or guideline to do this yet AFAIK, and you have to keep doing it on the trial-n-error basis and by judging the beam pattern on the wall or by lux meter reading.

Pretty much trial and error. I’m not sure if I’m going to physically modify the reflector but Vinh has suggested that the reflector base needs to be push outwards to achieve a good focus. (see OP)

I read somewhere that if there is a donut in the beam when you shine the light close to something its not focused properly. This happened when I modded my TN31. So I sanded down the centering ring until it was extremely thin but was just enough to locate the reflector still. The beam only has a donut with my hand right in front of the light now. Seems to throw pretty well haha

Have no idea if that is actually how it is done.

Do you have lux measurements of before and after? Most big throwers have donuts until a few meters away. Look at beamshots with defined beams, you can see the outside of the beam is much more intense than the middle part (which would create a donut shining on nearby things).

Definitely black holes are part of the focusing process. You should get rid of the black hole/donut under 1 meter or so. My latest Shocker (best performer) nailed the donut test, like under 10-12 inches or so -- best result I ever got on a de-domed Shocker. Usually when you get a black hole, you have to get the LED more into the reflector.

Slewflash, I’m talking about an actual black spot inside the hot spot on a TN31 beam when shining in a lower mode at a white wall. Unfortunately I don’t have any measuring equipment so no official results. But after sanding down the centering ring as much as possible I only got a black hole starting to form at 18cm ~7 inches when shining on a low mode at a white wall.

From all the modding information and my own experiment I’ve came out a general (unscientific) “conclusion” - we need to make the LED sit into the reflector as much as possible to get the maximum throw, and I’ve seen lux improvement on my modded T08 after I have grinded the reflector base a bit. I know this concept is not applicable to each and every cases out there but it’s just a wild idea.

Yeah I’ve always thought that the LED should be inside the reflector as much as possible, but Vinh wrote that in the K50, the LED should be pushed away from the reflector and I think SelfBuilt commented on the same thing on Vinh’s TK61vn review.

The TK61 performs best with the substrate below the opening in the reflector. Maybe 3mm? I worked hard on filing the back off the plastic reflector to get the emitter higher into the opening. BUZZZZ! Wrong answer! So I created a spacer out of a copper disc, topped with Kapton tape then also topped with a 3M insulation disc. So yeah, this particular reflector works best with the emitter backed off, not pushed in.

I think I’m going to create a test bench for finding the focus in a reflector using the tiny 10mm SinkPAD, if I cut it down to barely larger than the XM-L2 itself I’ll be able to test focus first, then duplicate that in light.

The hit and miss method is a PITA.

Here is a rig I sometimes use to play with focus. It's just a scrap piece of 4" (I think) square aluminum (from the scrap bin at Metal Supermarkets) with an aluminum plate (also from the scrap bin) and copper sheet for a pill. A 4" (I think) PVC pipe has just enough resistance to keep it in what ever spot you slide it to. It works great.

I’ll take it! :stuck_out_tongue:

Have to find a mart and see what I can do….

I bridged a sense resistor on a TN31 and without putting on heavy wires it was fine. I’m guessing if I had put super heavy wires on I would have been in trouble.

On TN31's, I measured as low as 5.5A to the LED with bridged resistors and maybe 22 AWG, but I measured 6.2A to the LED with 20 AWG I believe, and I think 18 AWG is used to get the 6.5A to the LED.

Thanks Tom. That’s great info right there. Something to keep in mind for sure.