The point was that here we are, sitting on mounds of hoarded flashlights that we rarely if ever use. Then we moan and gripe ad nauseum about every minuscule imperfection in them that we can detect - while so many others have no light at all, and sometimes die for lack of one.
But as I said, I’m sure you’re quite right.
It’s all about us, and our flashlights.
I apologise for the distraction. Please, carry on.
You’re right - because people die, we should not expect to get the products we pay for. Good point.
Preachy, inappropriate point of view understood by all.
Snide, prickish comments and insincere apology not accepted. Piss off.
Does this mean your leaving BLF?
You are correct, however none of us are presidents of countries or in a position of power where we can fix world problems, and if you feel we should do more then start a charity drive or do something about it, if you have the solutions to these problems then go about implementing them.
Hey a Crapolla is every bit as good as a Lamborghini….eee forget about it :bigsmile:
okay……with all that aside, I am still curious about the differences in olight products. I recently dropped my s10 and it stopped working. So while I’m planning on modding it, I’d like to know about future products/ quality before I think about replacing it. Was thinking of going with the s20, so therein lies my quest for answers REGARDING FLASHLIGHTS!
Even just seeing/ hearing the differences with switch quality and material changes there, i’ve become a little weary of what to look for!
Thanks all!
ha ha oh yeah, @lionheart_2281, post #9 was priceless 
Your S20-L2 matches with our current inventory we received from Olight within the last 2 months.
Thank you for clearing that up CalvinIS
Thanks for everyone with constructive answers cough Tumbleweed48 cough
I got a reply from Olight:
“Hi Alex,
Thanks for your feedback about our products. I’m Linda from Olight customer service.
The orange peel refector are used on the old S20 Baton. And now there is no orange peel reflecor;
Now the new S20-L2 Baton all used the smooth reflector, the serial number is on the side of the tube,under the model number and the serial itself is started with a “E”, “E”represent the goods produced in 2014.
If any other questions, please kindly let us know. Thanks.
Best regards
Linda”
Too bad, I was thinking maybe getting one from them if they had the older orange peel model. Oh well, this will be good enough.
I’m the opposite - I prefer orange peel to smooth out the hotspot artifacts, and I probably wouldn’t have bought it if I new it had smooth reflector. I also dislike the clip for the stated reasons. And the difference between moon and low is too small, IMHO.
After thinking about it more, I’ve realized that I probably overstated my preference for smooth reflectors. I do like the look of them better, but as far as light output goes, it wouldn’t make much difference to me in this light. The beam is pretty wide anyway, so the extra smoothing wouldn’t hurt it. You’re also right about the difference from Moon to Low. It is too small of a gap. Personally, I’d keep Moon where it is, move Low up about 10 to 20 lumens higher. Or even, split the difference between Low and Med, maybe hit around 50 to 60 lumens, and do away with one of those modes. So, Moon (0.5 lm), Low (55 lm?), High (550 lm) or something like that. As it is, I have not found a use for Low.
I think the mode spacing on this light is the best I have seen, also moon-low difference is perfect to me. And I have the same mixed feeling about the smooth reflector, it causes some (first world ;-) ) artifacts, a very slight OP would be a bit better. The light colour in my unit is a bit too green to my taste.
As a side note: I think some of you guys are too harsh on the comments of Tumbleweed. This is a flashlight forum and as such one should discuss a less than perfect anodisation job, and I agree that aiming for a better world (as important as it is) is more something to do outside this forum (unimportant things are just as important as important things!). But on the other hand, BLF is famous for off-topic discussion and that is one of the things I appreciate a lot here. So a discussion like his every now and then (as long as it is not clearly political, which violates the forum rules) is something perhaps to comment on, but IMO does not deserve the quite brute responses that I read in this thread.
Perfect! I agree
If it was a spin-off in “Off-topic Chatter”, I’d have to agree, but hijacking my thread, well, not so much. 
That's the beauty of BLF. We can hijack any thread and go freely off-topic. :)
Back on-topic: Have you considered stippling the reflector?
I agree, but ranting on the OP like that was uncalled for
However Dilbert is always welcome
I love the Dilbert comics, I had the Daily Dilbert app on my phone for quite some time :-)
Wait, does Dilbert carry an Olight S20? :~
not yet, but you could submit that suggestion, Scott Adams does accept them and incorporates some into future comic strips
Mine came with smooth reflector and serial # on the head. From ebay. Also had a china sticker on the box. I’ve seen US stickers in reviews.
No, it’s not a budget light for me and I’m afraid it would be too hard to disassemble without destroying something with level 0 modding skills.
Wow, another version, nice. Mine came without any sticker, while previous 4 Olights had CN stickers.
I hate it when there’s a million different revisions of something and you’re buying a cat in the bag…