[Review] SUNWAYMAN M11R Ti Dream (XM-L2, 1x (R)CR123a)

But Nice to Dream

Thank you!

For making me want something I can't have. :P (I'd already seen it and looked away) Now I've seen a good review of it and find it much more difficult to look away!

Hurry, y'all buy em up before I cave in!

Nice light!!! Love sunwayman!!!!

Hey, thanks for the great review and amazing photos.

Might ask one for a gift when I graduate. :party:

Nice looking light! It’s a bit out of my budget, but still nice to look at. I have a V11R and I love it- it’s my EDC.

Thanks for taking the time for the review.

Like everything else it is about preference!

I got this light and sent it back the next day!! Nothing mechanically wrong. I just found that a light this small is better served for a side switch. I have pretty big hands and found it difficult to switch modes using a control ring, especially when you have to go back and forth a few times for a specific mode. I think it was strobe and the “super low” mode! I needed Two hands to be able to use these modes!

Control rings are better served for mid sized lights or larger lights like the TN31/TN32/K40 Ect.

I have Two lights this small. A PD12vn and an S10. BOTH of these lights have side switches.Much easier to use and more practical.

I thought the Titanium alloy and only 300 made was nice. However, being difficult to use compounded by the Over inflated price,it was a no brainer! I sent it back and bought another modded thrower which is more up my ally! :wink:

When I first received the Dream, I wasn’t happy :frowning: . The selector ring felt too gritty. Taking some dry lubricant (Tuf Glide), I put some in the crack between the ring and the body. It was sucked up immediately by capillary action. Working it in a little produced a silky smooth action to the selector ring. After a day, the carrier solution evaporated leaving the dry lube behind. Tuf Glide is perfect for this application. Turns out that dry lubes such as molybdenum disulfide (moly) and PTFE (Teflon) are the best lubes for titanium alloys. Next I noticed the o-ring was a little small. I ordered some 2mm x 14mm o-rings from the O-ring Store. Now those fit perfectly. After I did these two tweaks to the light, I was very happy with its performance! :). Still, I gave it away to my Dad for his 86th birthday. The light now resides on his nightstand. Happy birthday Pops!!! :party:

Great review and photos, thanks

Does anyone know if the M11r Ti actually has an infinitely variable ring, like the V10r Ti and V11r?

iow, if there are detente holes in the control ring, that could be filled in, to achieve an infinitely adjustable rotary dial, as can be done with the Niteye Eye10, that has 10 detente holes in the ring, but can be modified to be infinitely adjustable.

thanks for any education

I don’t have an M11R or M11R Ti Dream.

However, my recollection from reading reviews of the M11R at the time was that the M11R is not infinitely variable. It has a magnetic ring but with 3 or 4 preset brightness levels only.

Correct. The ring however is fairly loose, and feels less premium than other Sunwayman lights with infinitely variable ring control.

A loose ring isn’t unique to the M11R I think.

My V11R limited edition camouflage has a horrendously loose ring that feels really cheap.

My other two V11Rs (one black and one grey), both have rings with the proper amount of resistance and feel great.

I think I need to open up my camo one and put in some better grease.

Thanks for the review, such a beautiful light.

Interesting. All my V10R Ti^2 lights, as well as my V10A light have no play in the ring and feel super, super nice. Tint lottery, and apparently ring lottery apply hear as well.

correct
let me restate the question

does the M11r have detentes in the ring, like the Eye10
and if those indentations get filled in with JBweld
is the ring actually infinitely variable, like the Eye10

iow, the only difference in the M11r and V10r is that the M11r dial has some indentations that the spring loaded ball bearing drops into, like the Eye10

as another example
I have both a stock Eye10 with the ball and spring and the 10 detentes around the dial

plus I have an Eye10 whose ball and spring were removed, creating a smooth infinitely variable dial

my question is, does the M11r actually have an infinitely variable dial, and it is simply being stopped by a ball bearing dropping into a detente hole, like the stock Eye10?

if so, that info could create an opportunity to modify an M11r to become Infinitely Variable.

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the discussion about the thickness of the grease is another aspect about these rotary dials that interests me

Ive read that Nyogel 767a is a good choice if the dial is too easy to turn.

Ive also read that the stock grease is roughly equivalent to Nyogel 760a

I have a Titanium Jetbeam TCR-1, whose dial was very stiff and gritty. It has the original 7 year old grease. I was able to improve it to feel smoother and less gritty, by adding a drop of Nano Oil and working the dial, hundreds of times… but I still felt it could be improved.

So I just received some Monky Spunk grease from DarkSucks and I Love the stuff. First I put some on the threads of the body, that were noisy and grabby before the Spunk. After adding that lube, the body threads are buttery smooth and silent. I have never felt such awesome smooth Titanium threads before.

I then worked a bit of Spunk into the side edges of the Titanium control ring (no disassembly), and all traces of grittyness have disappeared. The stuff is Magic!

Then I put some on my Original RRT-01, whose dial felt underlubricated and gritty before the Spunk. Now its another level of smoother. Not perfect yet, and bear in mind this is only adding a tiny amount of grease at the edge of the ring. But in every way better than the results I was getting with just Nano Oil.

So, for those with gritty Ti Threads or control rings… I give an enthusiastic endorsement of the Monky Spunk.

and for those whose dials seem too easy to turn, I suggest Nyogel 767a

From what I recall of reviews of the M11R at the time, it is NOT infinitely variable like an Eye 10.

I think it does have detentes at each setting, but brightness stairsteps at each setting. It doesn’t rise gradually like with an Eye-10. Filling in the detentes would not make an M11R infinitely variable.

That coupled with the really low 200ish lumen output is why I didn’t purchase one of these at the time.

Correct. Output levels are discrete; one indentation is one output.

thanks for letting me ask twice, very helpful
I dont doubt you, but you mentioned you dont own one

so I would also like to ask someone who does own an M11R Ti

thank you
do you have an M11R Ti?, and if so, can you check for me:

is there ramping brightness, in between the indentations?
(unless there is ramping between the detente notches, maybe that would not be a magnetic ring then either?)

does anyone have a link to photos of a disassembled M11R Ti… can we confirm it has 2 magnets in the ring, like the fully variable V11r, V10r Ti, and Eye10 TiC, TCR-1, RRT-01 (and Eye10 with ball removed)?

Yes I own two (Dream variant). The outputs are discrete, and changes in between the indentations. So infinite variable is not an option by removing the small steel ball unfortunately.

I’ve had a tan M11R for about 5 years and there are just 3 output modes and no variable ramping. I had a tan V10R before it crapped out on me and BJ sent me a new V11R, since it couldn’t be repaired. I also own a NIB V11R, so I speak from experience.

The M11R differs from the V10R/V11R, in that it doesn’t benefit from a 16340 3.7v cell and doesn’t output more lumens, so that’s a bummer. You can still run them, but there’s no huge increase in output, like running a V11R with a li-ion vs. a CR123A.

Chris

thanks, you are a wealth of knowledge

do you, or anyone, know if the TCR-10 also has separate modes, like the M11R Ti, in which removing the steel ball will not give access to an infinitely variable ramping UI?

thanks for that also