It looks like the 6 Volt version will work on an XM-L star. But there are tiny differences. On top of that (as you probably know) XHP50 and XHP70 LED`s can also be configured to12 volt depending on their connection/star.
Mouser for those who are lucky enough to have cheap shipping and are happy with their current selection. Im waiting for Hank to stock these. Preferably with some really high CRI.
Question is, why weren't these in stock yesterday along with suitable Noctigons??! Getting impatient here.. :p
1590lm @ 1050mA. The emitter (in 12V configuration, which is what its binned at) is (officially) capable of 2400mA. So 1590lm is far from what its capable off. That deal will give you more output compared to an MT-G2.
The emitter Mouser have in stock is not the top bin though. Problem with Mouser is that they are not very specific on tints.
These are floody emitters. Give me NW, high CRI and then top bin for that combination. :) please...
Okay, had to dig a little. The one at Mouser is apparently a N2 bin. That’s the third highest bin, so not bad. They say it’s binned at 85C, so at that temp, and with 2.4A going to it, it is rated at 3040lm max with 12.73 Vf. I guess it’s okay for what it is, but still pricey!
Okay for what it is? Like in the same way a base model Porsche Cayman is okay for what it is? :)
That N2 binned XHP70 from Mouser is officially capable of a 1000 more lumen compared to the top binned MT-G2 which cost about the same. Or if you can get it in top bin and want CW, 1500 lumen more compared to an MT-G2. That is getting closer to twice the output of an MT-G2. For pretty much the same price! And if these are capable of the same levels over "overdriving"... They are gonna be BRIGHT.
And more importantly, XHP70 is capable of higher CRI numbers compared to the MT-G2. And its got the potential to be more versatile in terms of voltage/wiring/drivers.
In terms of output the XHP70 is a large step up from an MT-G2. The XPH50 is more on level with the MT-G2 in terms of ouput, but price on that seems much lower. Lots of potential in these emitters. Not only on a performance level, but also when looking at bang for the buck or CRI.
MT-G2`s and MK-R`s might be a thing of the past now. But before we have a big party, we need to see the emitters in action, evaluate beam quality in various reflectors, how far they throw, real life tint, overdriving capabilites when direct mounted on copper, etc...
Either way, seems like quite exiting emitters compared to what has been released in the past 1,5 years.
What will be interesting is seeing who will carry them. Also, if there will be enough interest for anyone to do a Copper mcpcb for them. I doubt that happening right away. No one has any 6V in stock and the 12V is a different base footprint. I bet it's months before I get anything, because it's going to have to be 6V and 5700K range, before I bother.
Hell, they don't even have the binning documents up yet, on their website.
I do not have any special information of sorts, but having followed Hank's ways in the past I suspect that he will be carrying both the leds and the Noctigons for them sooner than months away.
Yes, they have the same footprint, but they have a break in the + and - on the 12 volt. I wonder if that’s to be able to use 6 volt for the source and the split allows for 6 volt twice, so series? Or is it just for series or parallel wiring, on a special mcpcb?
Data sheet shows a different pattern for the 12 volt and the 6 volt, at the bottom where the drawings for solder mask are.
12V Thermal pad is Not electrically Isolated, meaning the thermal pad is live, like the old SSC-P7 leds. That makes it a sure bet I will wait for the 6V leds to come out.
Okay, well, I’ve obviously not been around long enough to know what’s worth getting excited about. And for some reason I had it in my head that a bare MT-G2 was cheaper than the XHP70. But, you can get right now a triple XP-L on Noctigon from Mountain Electronics for a couple dollars more than this bare emitter. Dale had 4040lm coming out of an Eagle Eye X6 with triple XP-L.
It's the idea of 4000 lumens with a single led running only 3 amps to get it. It's also the idea of something new. New stuff to try out. Imagine a 12000 lumen triple, or a 16000 lumen quad. It's just more and bigger toys for boys.
Yeah, you’re right. It is cool just for being new and more compact for the amount of light output. I was just thinking in terms of it taking four dies to reach that number.
Edit: Also, forgot to mention. I was talking about the specific one at Mouser, not the whole XHP series. I’m looking forward to seeing some top binned XHP70’s in some O-L Mag Mods soon! Or, maybe Dale will put one in a Cypreus host or something! :bigsmile:
Im doing over 5500 OTF "Dale Lumens" out of three XM-L2s, which are more lumens for lower emitter cost. Its kinda irrelevant as its an comparison of several hot chilli nuts vs an apple. :D
You will learn that in certain lights there are benefits to having one large/several large emitters vs several or a whole bunch of smaller emitters.
These new emitters can bring lots of new possibilities to the table. And those possibilities will exceed what we can do today in several ways.. Assuming the beam isnt crap due to having seperate dies or something like that... :p
This is the dream i’m having; some sort of 18650 light that dumps way too many lumens. The MTN Edition Triple XP-L I currently carry is… well damn bright. But it’s like driving a race car every day… seems normal after a while. In order for me to go “Good God that’s bright,” I’m gonna need more lumens (worth to note that everybody else still says “Good God that’s bright” on the XP-L triple.)
I tried ringing Cutter yesterday to see if they were in stock. I may of rang too late as no one was answering the phone. I'll try again today if I get time.
The problem isn't going to be getting enough lumen, at least not for close range. Everyone (with some cash and mod skills) can make a flashlight with fairly reasonable size that can peak above 20000 lumen. With these emitters, that will be even easier. The lumen race will never end.
The real challenge is making extreme lumen output (10.000-100.000 lumen ) as usable as possible.
