Floating lumens II, my second integrating sphere in the make

Thanks! Correct, if all else tests well, a calibrated source will make it complete, and is indeed too expensive. Another too expensive dream is a fiber optic spectrometer with appropriate software, to measure tint and CRI :Love:

The storage problem is mainly the 154 dm3 that I do not have spare in the entire apartment, my girlfriend's looks when this thing was being assembled already made me feel very uncertain .

You can always put a cushion on it, and use it as a stool.

Xmas tree stand? It looks like you have lots of projects ahead of you next year. What does the girlfriend think of that? Maybe you could put a sub woofer speaker picture on it and tell her its part of the sound system?

Just attach a sheet of glass to the top of it… then, it’s a new coffee table, just for her. “Merry Christmas!”

I love it!

And I love that you just went ahead with it. You must have known this would be a "stretch" of your hobby that would not necessarily sit well with the missus.

But here you are, posting a wonderful picture of a nearly lab-grade IS...

You a mad man.

But you have my vote. And my confidence in you finishing this and setting a helluva high bar for us amateurs that mess with measuring light in our free time :-p

I assume you’re building a scale model of the infamously accurate “Integrating bathroom” measuring device. When will you be tiling the walls and installing the miniature bathtub, sink and toilet? :wink:

Seriously though, very impressive looking IS. Is the larger size important to it’s accuracy or simply allows you to measure bigger/floodier lights perhaps?
I have no clue about integrating spheres (or rather integrating shipping crates!) so I’m sure I’ll pick up a lot. It actually looks quite attractive to me so stick it in a corner and stack your flashlight collection on top :slight_smile:

Just let her know you are building the other end table next weekend so you will have a matched pair.

Information on the interiors of my integrating spheres is strictly classified, although I can reveal here that one key to succes is an inbuild jacuzzi.

I'm not sure if the larger size makes for a much better integrating sphere. I have seen an professional integrating sphere (for lasers) with a 2.5cm inner diameter. A rule of thumb is that the total surface area of entrace and exit holes must not exceed 2% of the inner surface (or else you will loose too much reflectance to get a proper integration). With my entrance hole diameter of 80mm the small size of my first sphere would not suffice. But given the size of our three-room apartment and the need to accomodate a 3-person family life perhaps a 30 or 40 cm sphere would have been a better idea .

You cant get an apartment with a garage to accommodate the sphere?

That looks really high tech

Well, the tech that I put into it is mainly pretty low: pine wood, plywood, a 50cm styrofoam sphere for hobby use, some glue, screws and some floor lacquer. And a quality luxmeter of course. What I hope will make it stand out is that I try to characterise its performance in as much detail as can be done in a non-lab environment.

Perhaps the result of it all will be that it appears that using a simple and small styrofoam ball with two holes and a cheap chinese luxmeter gives equally accurate measurements as big impressive balls carefully coated with a sophisticated () bariumsulfate formula and a snobistic top-notch luxmeter. I actually hope that that will be the outcome, it makes life easy for us at BLF .

Hmm, I'd love a garage, it will be especially convenient for the hobby since we do not own a car . But coincidently we were at our financial adviser today, and I can say with certainty that that is not a probable scenario ;-) .

Well, it is if we (city folks) move to Oost-Groningen, which is as rural as it gets in the Netherlands, there's earth quakes ruining houses because of 50 years of natural gas exploitation, and there's no jobs...

I made a (so I called it) conversion-factor-correction-light for the second sphere (cfc-light from now on), as I did for the first sphere (I called it an adjustment light then). It is a constant output light source in a fixed position inside the sphere of which the luxmeter-reading differs when something (like a flashlight) is positioned at the the entrance hole, because objects in that position alter the overall internal reflectivity of the sphere. This way you can correct the readings for different objects at the entrance hole (every flashlight has a different influence on the reflectivity). This sounds theoretical but different flashlights can make a difference of many percents in the reading, and with your sphere's integrating properties getting better, this variance gets worse. Or the other way around: if your sphere/box/pipe does not suffer from this you can question the integrating qualities. Unless your sphere/box is way bigger than the entrance hole, because that reduces this variance. But I already found that although I hoped not to need a cfc-light in this bigger 46cm sphere with 80mm entrance hole, the variance can still be several percents of the reading of the sphere, so I made one after all.

While in the first sphere this correction light had to be very tiny and narrow to hang at the side of the top entrance hole together with the to-be-measured light, in this new sphere I have the luxury of an extra entrance hole at the side for it. I already measured that the reading of a constant output flashlight when measured through the top port is within 1% of the reading of the same flashlight from the side port :-) .

The cfc-light that I made is very ugly and has burnt and molten bits from the soldering torch (I even burnt the led dome, so I had to slice most of it off), but everything works, so that's fine by me. It runs on 1 14500 battery, and a nanjg 101-AK-A1 driver with all 7135 chips but one removed (so constant 350mA). The XM-L2 led is on a 10mm Sinkpad directly soldered onto the copper pillar that in turn is soldered to the copper body of the light. The pillar of the light is slid into a hole through the insert that I made for the side-port of the integrating sphere, the body hangs outside the sphere. So although the led is very low-driven, it is very well cooled. Some pictures:

So does it pay off making it? How does it perform as a constant light source? Here are some readings when it is in place inside the sphere. I started with a fully charged Efest IMR 14500 750mAh, let the light run for half an hour, taking readings underway (the body gets very slightly warm within half an hour). Then I let it cool for 10 minutes (to see warming-up effects) and let it run for another half hour (actually 50 minutes). Then I took the battery out and charged it again. Two hours later I did another run for half an hour, to see how reproducable the results are (they are :-) ). As you can see the light is not perfect constant output under warming-up and battery-drain effects, but stays within 97.5% of initial output for an hour, and if I'm extra keen on accuracy for a reason, I can use the light between 10 and 30 minutes, the difference is just 1% then. But for its typical use I will take readings just seconds apart so it will do its job fine in any case. A partly drained battery is even better than fully charged.

To be continued...

This is all incredibly impressive looking!
Sounds like every last lumen will be accounted for inside this thing! :slight_smile:

Speechless. Are you doing all this work for us?

Eehhmm... in case of this sphere project, perhaps I do it for some folks here, but it is more a challenge for myself than anything else. I do not think that the BLF-community benefits much from it except by making people uncertain now, who were thusfar quite happy about their light measurements .

I have a proposition for you, when you are satisfied that you have it working to it’s optimum performance let me know. I will send you a light that I have built and tested in my pvc lightbox. Then we can see how my box, and duplicates of mine used by Richard and Tom as well as manxbuggy1 and rdrfronty, stacks up by comparison.

You will be free to keep the light I send you for your efforts.

Then we will all know how to adjust our conversion factors if/as needed. :slight_smile:

Or, as you say, we’ll be more confused than ever before. :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh, let me add my keen observations from this point….You Are F’N Brilliant! That cfc light is impressive too. Amazing.

Nice! Put four short legs on it and use it as a coffee table, Kramer djozz.

DBC. I'm going to build a light box sometime in the future and need you to send me a real hot rod light. When I've finished testing I promise I will send it back to you. You can trust me. No seriously you can, just dont ask my wife.