Nichia NCSU276A U365, a rough test (april 25th 2016, test updated)

Edit 4-25-2016: I re-did the output test of this led using my improved method, result in post #23.

This is an output test of one of the three fairly new Nichia UV leds (each comes in several wavelengths). This one has a dome and is the 'high efficiency' version (max current 700mA, 365nm version is 780mW@500mA), the others are a 'high power' (max current 1400mA, 365nm version is 1000mW@1A) and a 'mid-power' (700mA max current, 365nm version is 148mW@500mA) version, and the appearance of each is quite different. I chose this one because of good output and not the least because it is 20 euro's cheaper than the high power one. The peak output is at 365nm. I payed 37.90 euro's plus 6 euro's shipping from leds.de (Lumitronics). It came on a 10x10mm miniboard and I sticked for the test to that board because the led has no separate thermal pad but the two-pad lay-out that is the same as the Nichia119 series. So no DTP-copper-board adventures here unfortunately.

The test set-up was the same as what I did with the Royalighting RY-3535P UV-led: the ledboard was mounted on a cooled copper mount, a reflector was placed on top, direct on top of the reflector a piece of copier paper, then a plastic aspheric lens for some collimation but mainly to stop residual UV-light getting out in the wild, and last at 13.2 cm above the lens (why 13,2 ? ) cm a luxmeter. Here's a picture of the set-up copied from the other thread:

I will compare the output results of this led to the Ledengin LZ1 365nm led and the Royalighting led, but mind that everything is nothing more than a rough approximation: I never did a proper output test on the Ledengin LZ1, during the Royalighting RY-3535P testing I measured the LZ1 output at just one current, and that one current was round and about 1A (the led was inside a flashlight with a boost driver, I measured the current once), and used a different reflector (should not really matter much though). Furthermore for this Nichia test I used a different piece of copier paper (although of same brand and batch) and who knows how constant the fluorescence output of copier paper is from piece to piece???

So take the following data as 'ballpark' numbers, any output claim can easily be 10% off (the voltages are precise though, and currents are not far off). I plotted the new Nichia results into the graph from the Royalighting RY-3535P thread, for comparison:

*So what are we looking at? Say that the Ledengin LZ1 was indeed 1430mW@1A (according to specs that is), then the Nichia at 500mA would be 49% of that, so 700mW, not far from the 780mW from the specs. Actually I do not deserve such close results with these very unprecise measurements ;-) . The maximum output of the Nichia, at 800mW, would be about 950mW.

*I now realise that I made a mistake in the Royalighting RY-3535P thread, I used 1000mW as the spec'ed LZ1 output at 1A, while it is 1430mW, the 1000mW was at 700mA. Sorry for that (did anyone notice?), and I will correct that over there. It increases the maximum measured output of that chinese uv-led to 600mW instead of 420mW. Oops!

*Clear is that this Nichia performs way better than the chinese led, the voltage stays low, the maximum output is better and at a way lower current, it is almost 3 times as efficient!

*the Nichia can not handle much higher current than 700mA continuously. The voltage is hardly going up at all in the entire range (setting the current on my power supply was not easy because of this) and after having been at 1A, the performance at lower currents had gone down a bit (a few %). So my advice for this led: stick to 700mA max! (I can not relate to the quality of the Lumitronics ledboard used here, I assume it will perform standard for a non-DTP ledboard)

*the Ledengin LZ1 has the better output, but mind that this Nichia has a die that is about 4 times smaller, so the luminosity of the Nichia led is way higher: for what that is worth, it will throw much better. (left=Nichia, right=Ledengin)

Next step is building this led into a flashlight and do some illuminiation shots. I can already tell from playing with this led at 50mA with a led-tester (as was also the experience from mash.m over at CPF) that the amount of visible light is way less than the Ledengin and Royalighting leds. Combined with the smaller die, for me that that makes this Nichia led preferable over the Ledengin LZ1, but a bit of visible light might be useful for some occasions.

tobecontinuedwithilluminiationpictures..

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I’m sooo looking forward to see the differences in visible light. :star:

Btw. The amber was send this morning. Hope you won’t get disappointment by the small amount. So I shipped a small surprise with the amber …

If you follow the CPF-link, mash-m made some banknote shots that show the difference quite well: the Ledengin LZ1 gives off a dim white-ish light apart from the UV, this Nichia almost nothing.

I'm looking forward to uv-test the amber :-)

Interesting stuff. Thanks djozz.

Again nice work. Thanks heaps.

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And Nichia UV is best choice if someone want to find UV light.

I want to make triple Nichia UVs if there is compatible triple 20mm mcpcb.

Is there any mcpcb for Nichia UV? Nichia UV’s footprint was changed to two side not three pointed footprint like Cree LEDs.
That is not good for me.

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I’m looking forward to your results. The Nichia is too pricey for me with the shipping from Germany so my next UV light will be another LZ1 but inside a TrustFire Z6 this time since your LZ1 zoomie inspired me. I got some glass lenses coming to try out since UV and plastic lenses don’t work as well.

You also inspired me with your MCPCB mods so I will be modding a Maxtoch XML 26mm MCPCB for a LZ1. But before I can do that, I have to figure out how to remove the frackin’ driver. :~

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You know that you can’t use a triple optic right? (not with UV)

Oops! I didn’t know about it.

Would you tell me why triple lens can be accept UV LEDs?

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UV is 10nm to 400nm light. The triple lenses are made of polycarbonate (PC). If you look at polycarbonate light transmission graphs you’ll see that PC blocks <400nm light.

That is why. The UV will not go through the polycarbonate lens. You must use glass or other materials.

Thank you for your advice. It is very helpful!

I’d better to make UV LED only single die with reflector not triple.

=much cheaper too :-) !

I can confirm the graph in practice: plastic lenses almost completely blocks 365nm light and glass transmits almost all of it. I had to buy a glass lens for my Ledengin LZ1 365nm zoomie for it to work.

Very cool. Thank you for sharing. djozz, your work is excellent, as usual.

Illuminiation shots please. Just skip any bathroom illumination pics. :Sp

http://www.gearbest.com/led-flashlights/pp_277704.html Convoy S2+ Nichia UV 365

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I just received the above light. Its the best UV LED I’ve come across, but it puts out much more white light than I expected. Even after adding one of those zsomething filters. Asked my wife if she also saw a bright whitish hot spot. She said she did too. Her eyes are 11 years younger than mine. Seems unlikely we both could see into the upper UV spectrum. Even with UV googles, the hot spot is pretty bright.

Doesn’t seem better than the cheaper 365 emitters I have purchased other than the output level. Unfortunately, I don’t have any other UV lights to compare to at the moment as my wife lent them to one of her co-workers. I do have a couple different emitters that I can use to build new lights with.

The emitter looks similar to the pictures above, but I haven’t closely compared it yet.

In the Convoy from GB nichia is not god soldering

http://forum.fonarevka.ru/showpost.php?p=839893&postcount=642

If you look at this post, you can compare how your led looks like. If the white stuff between the die-lines has disappeared, much more white light is emitted. I’m pretty sure that it is caused by the led overheating at some point, in my case the ledboard was floating because I did not tighten the pill well enough, or the solder job could have been bad, like Serp showed.

??? It looks like what little paste was there never even fully reflowed.