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Hail and well met, fellow Freak Of Nature!
I try to push the fact that, given the embarrassing “State Of The Art” of the fetid fecal matter we optimistically call “BATTERIES”, that light will be plenty dim enough, plenty soon enough, that there’s no point making it dim on purpose!
When we get useful, modern batteries, small & light enough to be portable, with enough power & capacity to be interesting, I’ll still pull out that impulse-buy dispose-a-light (with a momentary switch and the kind of form factor I can bite for light) for any time I actually “Need” a dim flashlight. Especially if it’s red. And if they ever quit making them, a .002-cent Red LED and salvaged CMOS/watch/hearing-aid battery will do just fine. And there’s always the Mag Solitaire if you really must spend Good Money to have the least amount of light possible…
But I get that I’m a freak, because I almost never turn a flashlight ON with a click. Most of my torch usage is Momentary, although I do click them on often enough that I like that feature. If I am around others & don’t want to bother anyone, my hands & fingers or other body parts (stop giggling, not ALL other body parts!) do a perfect job of keeping the surroundings au naturel for that moment.
To address another poster’s comment, I’m also a freak for not liking the pencil-beam “thrower” lights. I have never been able to get myself to the place where that “thrower” is illuminating, because the useful light is always Somewhere Else. Throws a mile?? Great. When you get there, the illumination is still a mile away! As noted earlier, at useful-working distances that freakishly-intense hot spot overdrives the eyes so that nothing else is visible, and the tiny spot only illuminates such a uselessly small area that I end up literally “throwing” them, either in the trash, in the woods, AT someone, or I just give them away to n00bz. Or (thanks to y’all here), now I can mod them!
OTOH, I have changed my mind about the Blinky mode, having used it to Good Effect in Bad Traffic. I would never want to be anywhere near the Zombie Horde, thumbing their “smart phones”, oblivious to the rest of us, at night, without a super-bright strobe!
Hilarious post :bigsmile:
10 lumens is not painfully bright FFS. And no, it won’t annoy others, unless those people annoy so easily that simply moving with no light at all also annoys them.
Seriously, I love torches and don’t object to moonlight modes. But 1000’s and 1000’s and 1000’s of people manage perfectly fine, by simply turning on the bedroom/house lights.
Nobody actually “needs” a moonlight mode. This doesn’t mean there aren’t people who “want” a moonlight mode and can make successful use of them. But they aren’t the same thing.
And lets face it, there are parts of the world where at certain points in the year it doesn’t even get dark… yet those people still manage to sleep and live normally. So waking up in the middle of the night to something much brighter than moonlight really isn’t the issue people are trying to make it out to be.
Actually I think they make a valid point. Moonlight is something you want assurance you can access instantly without cycling through the other modes.
BUT…. for a majority of people you don’t want it as the default when you turn a torch on generally.
A hidden, but instantly accessible from off moonlight is really the only type worth having.
There are simply no reasons why you’d go from Turbo to moonlight.
I know one reason: You have to because a bad user interface...
It can be handled by pressing the head of the light to your hand, to reduce the light if you have to cycle through high modes to reach the moonlight.
I am very fond of my Olight S20-L2, even though the light is a bit on the cool side. Instant moonlight on demand.
UI is the most important feature on a light that has “specialist” modes IMO.
I have Qlite p60 I use a lot, set to 4 modes because I wanted the moonlight mode. While I do use it, I find it massively compromised.
Partly because you can’t dictate what mode it turns on with. But more annoyingly you can’t go:
Moonlight -> Low -> Moonlight.
Something I find I’d like to do quite often.
Hello fellow members, at the moment i am working at construction yard at night in the middle of nowhere, where i am guarding some things not to be stolen. I stuck all the night in the car, and i don’t use any tablets or laptops. Most of the time, i am reading. I recently bought Armytek Wizzard neutral 4000K version. The lowest setting is about 3 lumens. When i read books with glossy pages, it is hard to read with more lumens, because the light reflects, from the glossy pages. I also have Nitecore HC50, and i used red light on it for reading, but i noticed, that later if some car came across the road, i saw the light from the car more green, than yellow( all colours were distorted).
The Wizzard and its low mode is perfect for me, it has nice yellow tint on a white pages. I also like, that with long press on the switch, i immediately choose “moonlight”, and not blind myself…and what is also great is, that battery lasts for ages… 
see the poll in the other place
This means that less than 1 person in 20 dislikes it - and aren't they a vocal lot.
I love moonlight and where I live there are no streetlights so it is very dark. I use moonlight so I can go to the toilet in the middle of the night without waking the wife, or falling over the dog.
moonlight to me is my pee light.
if I’m blind I’m prolly awake the whole night
and the toilet light is too bright my eyes hurt even when closed
You’d like to think so, and the older you get, the less you’d notice.
But the longer that getting older thing goes on, the closer we get to being grouchy about people who bother us with stuff we don’t want to know about.
Here’s some more stuff you ought to know about, if only for the sake of the grandchildren:
That’s why we use amber LED nightlights around the house — no blue, and low brightness.
Good for turtles too: Sea Turtle Hatchlings Saved by LED Lights Funded by Deepwater Horizon Fines - Scientific American Blog Network
Am I the only person on BLF who has LED nightlights in his bathrooms and elsewhere?
Why yes I have, however if I try to use it as a night light I’ll probably set the tent on fire and unless I build one in a wheelbarrow it’s not going to help me when I go for a pee.
Must be! J)
I'm a huge fan of moonlight mode, mostly because I travel a lot and don't like to be a jerk to those camped / sleeping around me. But the problem I'm having now is that I just split up with the missus and moved to an extremely dark, rural area, where there's not only no one to bother with the high modes, but no one to see it even if they wanted to. That doesn't mean I want to blind myself when I get up in the middle of the night, but 3-10 lumens is probably more useful when I'm not worried about other people, and of course ML mode isn't enough to walk outside safely with all the ruts and thorny bushes.
For me, 10 lumens-ish is better for walking outside and not twisting my ankle or getting my leg gashed open by a blackberry bush. So I keep alternating from ML being extremely useless to completely indispensable. Luckily there's a solution: more flashlights :)
My TiS that comes on in ML mode still sits in my pocket as a backup, though, no matter where I am. If my D40A or SF5 backup go dead, then I'll have to twist the TiS out of ML mode to use it on the farm--no big deal at all. I think lights like the L10 get it right because you can buy versions with or without ML mode and then it's a non-issue. Plus I feel bad when the alpha males have to use a wimpy flashlight mode. It's like having to deal with a Honda parking next to their 200 MPH Maserati. Awful. These flashlights should be configurable so that everyone could make it use whatever modes the user would like. This way no one gets anxiety from having the wrong modes. That is where I believe technology will take us...
If you add an offtime cap to the driver and reflash, you can. It’s a little awkward though, since it will be necessary to use short/med/long presses instead of just short/long … and it only really works on a reverse clicky so if the P60 has a forward clicky that might need to be changed too.
Anyway, just saying it’s possible if you really want it.
If you have to ask then you’re not asking the right question. Why is it that phrases like all normal people do… Generate controversy? Because the assumption is that if you don’t agree then you’re not normal. It would be far less inflammatory to simply state your own preference and refrain from attempting to generalize to the rest of the population. There’s nothing wrong with disliking a moon mode but declaring that all modes you don’t like should be hidden for everyone is a bit much. Having a subjective opinion is one thing, demanding that others share it is another.
Oh, that’s how it works? Interesting. I don’t think I’ll ever understand humans.
I like very much: Moonlight mode
I like not so much: Beeing told by others what I need and have a use for
Kind regards