For Those Wanting To Purchase Trustfire 3800 Lumen 3 XM-L Light: Don't Buy This

The good thing about TF-3T6 is that the drivers are easily available too (you might want to stock up 1 if you find that the light suits you). Tailcap also compatible.

The bezel, tail cap and switch, o-rings glass lense and extention tubes from the TR-1200 fit the TR-3T6 so you can pretty much fully rebuild the TR-3T6 and the empty TR-1200 host are around 13 bucks shipped.
It’s all in my TR-3T6 thread

Yea!!

I was so excited waiting for this light to come in. My first 3xXML light and lo and behold its a fake. Dang ebay, I knew it was to good to be true. Oh well Manafont here I come! :p

The biggest give away is when I put in the CK 3100s and fired it up to a very underwhelming beam of maybe 700 lumens on high. Drop-in screws into the bezel and not the head. Tail cap draw of 1.78A on high 1.20 on medium and .67 on low.

What is the sellers name you bought from?

That's to bad, I had ordered one a few days ago. I got mine for 41 bucks shipped

I got one from seller yallstore and I'm very disappointed. It's not the one pictured in the ebay ad. Looks more like the Skyray 3800 but a little shorter and has trouble tailstanding. It's a drop in version. Less bright than my Skyray 3800.

yallstore now has sold 28 fake lights going from the link Surprised

maybe if people dont want a fake and dont mind waiting a few days more for shipping have a look at this link

https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/3304

Yup, Yall Store, same $41 shipped. Blah, this thing very disappointing. :( Massive sag, on the order of 200 to 300 lumens in the first 3 minutes, starting at maaaaybe 700 lumens. Even doing the usual heatsinking and thermal paste did absolutely no good, waste of thermal paste. Oh well, on to the next light.

The TK70 is looking very tempting now. Anyone know where I can get 1 for around 40 bucks? :p

KD also sell a 3 x xml with the drop in thats screws into the bezel not the head...

Well if you think you got a item not as described and you don't file a dispute and escalate it to a claim then that is on you. I would contact the seller first and tell him this is what you are going to do. There shouldn't be any excuse to be hooked off ebay anymore. Paypal has protected me and sided with me lately anyway. I did get screwed years ago for almost $300. I got no help from ebay or paypal. But now they are a lot better and you are protected from bad sellers. Use their services. You will see I am right.

if the seller does not help as he will say thats how i got them how would i know and im dont think they will send them all back to the suplier and reship the geniune lights and you make a paypal claim they will make you send it back and provide a tracking number so either way you will be out of pocket..... and some time, this will realy hurt international buyers as you will find it will cost to much to return... oftern alot more then you payed for shipping i think some sellers relie on this.

an unproven link worked well once again in the quest to save a few more bucks 28 have been sold this thread bosted alot of there sales of a fake, so any one who did not get a geniune Trustfire TR-3T6 2 x 18650 i would leave negitive feedback of some sort stating they are not geniune to ward off any more sales it might help others not make the same mistake ?

most stuff on ebay is cheap or cheap copies and or drop shipped i do use ebay alot for brand name rc items or connectors to make my own leads and charging box,s or clear 18650 box,s for storage, but the last 5 or 6 torch related items ive been realy disapointed with the items and ive had to settle with the seller for partial refunds as if i make a paypal claim, they make you return the items and return international postage is just a killer, for local buyers it will be cheaper just take some time to complete the process.

just my thoughts

Nope. If item isn't as described, and you escalate dispute to a claim and paypal sides in your favor then it is up to paypal if they choose to ship the item back in which they won't overseas and they pick up the shipping charges. They give you your money back in your paypal account and they get their money back from the seller that you sent payment too. If seller doesn't agree to pay them back in so many days then paypal automatically deducts it from their account. If they try and close their account then paypal will watch for this and then grab it from their account beforehand. They will get their money back one way or the other. That is part of the fine little print and restrictions that they have.

And you probably will get to keep the item. I have done this before on items not as described and bought overseas.

im not going to argue with you but yes paypal does make international costomers send items back i know of this first hand more then once its happended to me, paypal will not pick up the return shipping cost the buyer does, even the ebay listing says clearly the buyer pays return shipping and by buying you have agreed to the terms and conditions.

your not going to get a full refund and get to keep the torch think about it, then any one who brought an international item can make a bogus claim keep the item and get there money back, paypal will make you send the item back, you will be out of pocket for return shipping cost.

if what your saying is true was true i would order a few cheap torch,s or a few tex600,s make a claim keep the torches or helies and get a full refund and then resale them on i could make a 200% profit and keep a couple for my self.

this thread shows up if you search the TR-3T6 on google so it avilible to all the internet not just forum members, i feel sorry for the people who brought the fake now a good torch will get a bad rep, but this thread should slow it down now.

Well I won't argue with you either, but you need to read this.

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That has happened to me twice and I kept the item and received all of my money back due to item not as described.

And if this seller is in fact selling counterfit items and you prove it then yes you will get a full refund plus shipping costs and get to keep the item.

yes i have read that just then and ive read it before, but i stand by my comment paypal will make you send the item back and you will have to pay return shipping as agreed when you clicked buy now on the sellers listing, the buyer pays for return shipping. you still will be out of pocket for return shipping as thats how it is 99.99r%

you dont get full refunds cause you have to take into account return shipping and you dont get to keep the item, you have to pay postage back once a valid tracking number is provided then you will get a refund, but your still out the retun shipping cost im my personal experince with such a thing from both ends as a seller and a buyer, i used to be a power seller on ebay and i buy lots of rc stuff.

some thing back is better then nothing, most times no one does anything, your much better off sending back and getting a refund minus your shipping cost if your unhappy, but internationaly this can be costly.

i hope every one gets all there money back and gets to keep the light aswell and i hope they buy a geniune one to compare it with from the refund.

i personaly dont think the usa seller is making the light as it would cost to much in the usa to make a copy of it, im sure they just brought a heap from a china or hong kong seller but im only guessing.

its not your fault ilikeflashlights as you didnt sell the light and the seller might not of known.

But if you win by claim you don't pay shipping back is my point.

not always true

ILIKEFLASHLIGHTS and Benckie

Thanks for all the advice. This is one of the things I love about this forum is the discourse and ideas that fly around. I have sent the seller an email informing them of the issues with this trustfire copy. I will keep ya'll informed as to the answers if any that I get. Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction to resolve this.

monanoke

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