New XP-L High Intensity Emitter

Omega_17 · April 30, 2015, 10:32am

It will be the XB-H High Intensity. Forget the old generation. http://www.cree.com/led-components-and-modules/products/xlamp/discrete-directional/xlamp-xbh

LSX · April 30, 2015, 10:49am

This is great news. Such a good time saver and don’t need to be soo concerned about damaging a bond wire anymore.

I am with ToyKeeper. This in a 3D tint will be awesome.

cajampa · April 30, 2015, 10:49am

You are right about max flux bin V2, i messed up when i checked the pdf before, i saw a CW V5 high density and thought i was looking at the High Intensity ones.

But isn’t it strange that the High Density ones according to cree only goes to V5? Is the High Density ones different than the old XP-L, I though High Density meant with the dome like the old ones :~

cajampa · April 30, 2015, 11:00am

I hope not the XB-H looks at least according to Cree’s data cheats to have lower output than the XP-G2, and that is not even counting the newly released S4 flux bin.

XB-H
XP-G2

will34 · April 30, 2015, 12:10pm

Any chance of the meteor to be sold with the new XP-L? Or Is it possible to order it with a blank, separated mcp? This is shocking news and I will have to re-mod at least 15 lights including A couple XP-L triples with modified carclos…

I wonder how many flashlight modding projects were suddenly paused and postponed with this announcement? 3 for myself…

Hikelite · April 30, 2015, 12:18pm

Let's make an educated calculation.

XP-L V6 @ 50Celsius, @ 2A does 874lm (CREE PTC used for values), now cut 11% loses in the new XP-L HI = 777lm
777*12LEDs = 9324lm, now losses in optics and glass -12% = 8205lm.
Losses in optics and glass can be higher of course, I chose 10% for Carclo 10507 and 2% for the glass.

What we don't think about it is that if the Vf is higher than results can't be better at minutes later, a very important aspect totally ignored, when it is proved that it is not higher well then it can be ignored, we know that what CREE specifies for the Vf is often not what is found in reality.
There is no gains over dedomed regular XP-L (either lumens or candela) , just makes the tint good.
That is if it fits under the Carclo optics.

seasam · April 30, 2015, 1:09pm

Hikelite:

Firelight2:

I feel the same way. Now I just need to order a Meteor 43 and 12 of these new domeless XP-L!

Let’s make an educated calculation.

XP-L V6 @ 50Celsius, @ 2A does 874lm (CREE PTC used for values), now cut 11% loses in the new XP-L HI = 777lm
777*12LEDs = 9324lm, now losses in optics and glass –12% = 8205lm.
Losses in optics and glass can be higher of course, I chose 10% for Carclo 10507 and 2% for the glass.

What we don’t think about it is that if the Vf is higher than results can’t be better at minutes later, a very important aspect totally ignored, when it is proved that it is not higher well then it can be ignored, we know that what CREE specifies for the Vf is often not what is found in reality.
There is no gains over dedomed regular XP-L (either lumens or candela) , just makes the tint good.
That is if it fits under the Carclo optics.

why you ruining our party? :party: :party: :party:

I’m joking of course. but seriously, I want to see if it fits under Carclo optics. that’s the question.

light_junkie · April 30, 2015, 1:28pm

When they’ll be available? OR when ,where to get them?

DB_Custom · April 30, 2015, 3:01pm

I’m kind of into aesthetics, like, I LOVE the way the SBT-70 looks.

That said, I might have to put 12 of these in my new Meteor and leave the optics off. A 12 XP-L High Performance Mule! Oh YEAH! Bring it! Did you say 3D tint? Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight! WooHoo!

Firelight2 · April 30, 2015, 3:20pm

seasam:

Hikelite:

Firelight2:

I feel the same way. Now I just need to order a Meteor 43 and 12 of these new domeless XP-L!

Let’s make an educated calculation.

XP-L V6 @ 50Celsius, @ 2A does 874lm (CREE PTC used for values), now cut 11% loses in the new XP-L HI = 777lm
777*12LEDs = 9324lm, now losses in optics and glass –12% = 8205lm.
Losses in optics and glass can be higher of course, I chose 10% for Carclo 10507 and 2% for the glass.

What we don’t think about it is that if the Vf is higher than results can’t be better at minutes later, a very important aspect totally ignored, when it is proved that it is not higher well then it can be ignored, we know that what CREE specifies for the Vf is often not what is found in reality.
There is no gains over dedomed regular XP-L (either lumens or candela) , just makes the tint good.
That is if it fits under the Carclo optics.

why you ruining our party? :party: :party: :party:

I’m joking of course. but seriously, I want to see if it fits under Carclo optics. that’s the question.

Even if it doesn’t fit, perhaps we can make it fit by carving off the sides of the cover with an x-acto knife.

chesterqw · April 30, 2015, 3:24pm

this changes everything

RMM · April 30, 2015, 3:53pm

Cree reels are generally 1000.

DB_Custom · April 30, 2015, 4:12pm

It looks to me like the Carclo optics will fit over these, barely. Normall when de-doming there is a small gap between the die and the very bottom of the optic, this will be taken up by that .35mm difference in height

borrowing here from the pic previously posted, the height difference is going to be very close, it might be quite feasible to lightly sand the narrow end of the optic to sit at but not press into the covering over the die. Effective creating a seal? This might actually work very well, can’t wait to try it out.

In the meantime, I might try slicing the dome off an XP-L like I’ve done recently with the XHP-50 and see how that looks/works/fits.

DanielM · April 30, 2015, 4:44pm

again

malkoff_junkie · April 30, 2015, 4:51pm

Could I ask this; could this XPL be in a cool white tint?
Would it be brighter than a sinner triple nichia 1000 lumen?.
Thanks.

luminarium_iaculator · April 30, 2015, 4:58pm

And they should still be better performers than this new if you do clean dedome, only no tint shift with new one?

Some modders did find the way to change emitter tint after dedoming.

But of course we all want to try new stuff

DB_Custom · April 30, 2015, 4:59pm

The good news is, they work! These will fit under the 10507 optics on a Noctigon triple star.

I used a 1mm thick stainless steel washer to control the depth of cut and a scalpel to do the deed, shaved the domes off 3 XP-L V5 1A emitters on a copper star. Then I removed the emitter and re-flowed them onto the triple Noctigon, placing the stack of copper 20mm SinkPADs on top of the 3 shaved emitters to ensure they were seated low and not held up with solder.

The optics fit on perfectly! And the 1A tint is still showing, a slightly blue/white output on the white styrofoam ceiling tiles in our house. Excellent!

The bad news is, I don’t have funds to buy a full reel of these. lol

pilotdog68 · April 30, 2015, 5:04pm

Are you asking whether a single XP-L will be brighter than a triple Nichia? Or triple vs triple?
The short answer is that any XP-L will easily outperform a Nichia, and a single XP-L is capable of way more than 1000 lumens. The Nichia has the advantage of better CRI though.

malkoff_junkie · April 30, 2015, 5:07pm

Thanks so would a triple XPL dedomed in a sinner 18650 copper host be good or a triple nichia in your opinion?.
Wondering if these XPL are available in cool white too.
Looking for intensity I guess.
Is one XPL enough or 3 in that host?.
Thanks.

pilotdog68 · April 30, 2015, 5:19pm

People have gotten 4000+ lumens from triple XP-L set-ups. It’s up to you how hot you want to run it.

Yes, current XP-L’s as well as these new versions are/will be available in all the usual tint ranges including cool white.