hmmmmmm. That is strange. EVERY AWT battery that HKJ has done you did NOT provide information as to what CELL it is?!! Why is that? What is the big secret?!!
If you search for 10440 on there page you will find them, but yes the listings are very āconfusedā of what they are really offering, and donāt make a good first impression.
they sell Ultrafire batteries :Sp, a seller who deals in those always makes me trust them much less
We all know the Ultrafires are of horrible quality & massively lies about there capacity, so i really canāt understand why an honest seller would want anything to do with them at all.
My point is :If it is true WHY donāt they mentioned the cell used? Every single battery that they sent HKJ they DO NOT reveal the cell? Why is that? Are they hiding something?
To the best of my knowledge Sony, Panasonic, Samsung ect. always do?! They are proud of them and have nothing to hide!
I donāt understand your point, if it is a AWT IMR18650 2500mAh 35A battery then that IS the cell inside. If it is true that they are making there own cells like they claim & donāt rewrap.
Just as if you have a Panasonic NCR18650PF then that is the NCR18650PF cell inside.
The only time i remember HKJ adding cell information that differ from the āNameā of the cell, is when it is a rewrap like keeppower or oribitronic for example & not if the information is unavailable.
Look at AWT reviews/specifications and the CELL that is used is BLANK and NEVER mentioned. Look at Sony, Samsung,LG ect., The cell āUsedā is always mentioned in the specs!
Below is what HKJ says at the end of the review of the AWT IMR 2500mAh battery. In this case, āThe Unspecified Cellā gets good grades!
Conclusion
Usual a battery with unspecified cell will not get better rating than acceptable, but there is no doubt it is a very good cell that is used here.
I thin you both are not understanding each other.
Cajampa meant that if they have their own cellā¦ They do not need to mention another manufacturer cell as if it were a rewrap so if you are reviewing a 18650 2450mAh 38Aā¦ At the pointā¦ CELL Used you wonāt read INR18650-25R5ā¦ But just nothing because itās their own cell
Now I donāt know if wolf dog just wanted AWT to put a code on their own cell if this is the caseā¦ So an AWT 18650 2450mAh 28Aā¦ Would be marked as CELL ID something like (AWT18650XYZ38A)
I am NOT alone in speculating/wondering that AWT, EFEST and others may be re wraps because they do NOT verify or mention what cell they are using. For Crying out loud,HKJ mentions it every time at the end of the review when the cell is NOT specified!
I include the cell used if I am told what cell it is and allowed to include the information. I.e. the information is not what I can guess about the cells used, but what I am told.
Generally I doubt the different Chinese brands has their own cell factory, but if a brand states clearly that a cell is made in their own factory, I will probably include that information.
HUGE difference between Panasonic[established/verified/trusted] and AWT or Efest!
That is like saying if it is EFEST IMR 18650 2500mAh 35A then that is what cell is inside?!
Sorry, if someone I do not know says something I need some proof or verification before I believe them,especially from a communist country like China! They thrive on American support,regardless of that when it comes to money, people can and will do anything to make sure that it[$] continues to flow!
??? Yes I know it is not complicated, that is why I was trying to explain that to you.
But you seemed to not realize (in the post i was replying to) that the name of the battery WAS the cell inside. Of course we couldnāt have know that before Grace claimed AWT make there own cells, but until that is disproven I will assume that is what they are.
They only thing i didnāt understand about your point, was why you where asking a question that was already answered.
I also have doubts that AWT truly make all there own cell & seemingly can compete with the massive battery manufacturer like LG, Samsung & Panasonic. And just āhappenā to launch new spec cell very near the launch of these often rewrapped cells in similar specs & capacity as the big & well know manufacturers.
If they really can make such high end products WHY would they ever want to taint there reputation, with Ultrafire products that makes no sense to me at all :~
But as i said before in this thread if HKJ test says they are good compared to other cells in the market, then they are an option to buy for me
Thanks TheBo you got it, and yes Wolfdog you arenāt alone in suspecting them, but now AWT have at least officially claimed by there representative Grace to be āoriginal & authenticā battery cell manufacturers, so we will have to see how this all plays out in the future
The Chinese manufacturers have at least produced 2 cells that i know of that beats anything the usual big manufacturers have made yet, the Windyfire 14500 600mha 10A & the Efest IMR10440 350mha cells + many of the good 26650 & 32650 cells i think also are Chinese madeā¦ā¦right?. So at least we know in āunusualā sizes they can compete.
Inside I assume is the EFEST IMR 18650 2500mAh 35A cell
I donāt try to defend the supposedly rewrapers, but if you donāt trust there claims in regards to AWT, then just says so instead of asking the same question again, so there will be less confusion.
Good news on the ordered MKNE 26650 3500mAh cell :), i know some are suspecting that that is the base cell for the Efest purple 26650 3500mha. It is going to be interesting to find out if it could be
The reason it seemed like the same question to you is because you could NOT grasp what I was saying about the specs in HKJās review of AWT and the FACT that the cell information was left blank! That was my whole point that I had to repeat over and over!
lol,( sorry,but i can not helping laughing) Thanks, Hank, you are smart!!! See your man fights with batteries is a great pleasure on me. ( not mean to offend) cuz you guys cares about battery, cares about the Chinese factory made or re-wrapped. I am here assure you guys, the AWT is AWT !!!
Poor Chinese AWT workers in produce lineā¦ā¦.If they know the AWT battery they produced be seem as the LG , Samsung, Panasonic or Sony, what will they think? happy or sad ? I guess they will say the same as i do, : AWT IS AWT !!! Their hands become black as they touch the battery. they hear that noise made by the machine. some of them search the best solution to improve the capacity with a little high ampers. to test the battery themself. though, they can not vape or use the expensive flashlight. but , they made their effort, and did their good job.
Grace, it is good to see that you enjoy our fiery discussion on batteries. To be honest i was concerned you would find it off putting, so i am glad you find it enjoyable
And i would hope your workers in the produce line, would be proud that they are competing with the big manufacturers in performance & that is what leads to these speculations.
What you could do to easier present the performance of your batteries, is to publish a discharge curve with different amp loads like HKJ does.
Because only the max amp rating & mha rating, isnāt enough to really know the performance of a battery in various applications & under various loads.