BLF Kronos X6/X5 GB - Group Buy now closed.

[ChibiM]

Just put me down for this

1) Aluminum (Al) set.
2) Tint (X6 in CW and K6 in NW).
3) Quantities.: 1 set

[kronological]

@ahirshy

Welcome back Krono - hope you had a great holiday and safe journeying. The forums aren’t the same without you! Bugsy must be delighted you’re back; I think he’s probably had just about enough of all these lists by now!

Bugsy was doing an awesome job keeping the lists up-to-date, and began annotating requests for swaps and positions. He said he was happy to do so (keep note, not swap), as long as both requests and approval were stated in the thread by both parties.

@bugsy36

Correct. Malenurse was missed. I am intentionally staying out of the numbering game. I will note that someone wants a certain number but think that both parties should state acceptance in the thread……and Kronos decide if he wants to do it I am just playing grunt here

However inevitably a few people took issue with the requests (some considering it spam), and there were questions raised about the viability and value of such list positions and swaps. Alas it seems Bugsy stopped recording them, some got missed or mistaken from post 185 onwards.

@kronological

Please keep the ‘Horse-Trading’ to a minimum. It is really difficult to keep track of, and I don’t seem to have as much time as I used to

If it’s agreeable with you Krono, I’d be happy to alleviate the overhead on tracking position swap requests/approvals in a single updated post, which you can then update into the master list at your own leisure.

Perhaps we can stipulate that ‘trading’ should be arranged by PM between the various members FIRST so as not to litter the thread unnecessarily, then both parties simply post their respective position request/approval here for the record (only after agreeing by PM first). Two posts-per-swap shouldn’t be too much of a burden on the thread size, and then I can track them in a single post for you.

I’ll keep the record in a table form with references to the relevant posts and positions for easy posterity and reference:

Date	Post No	Type (Al/CuSS)	Requestor	From Pos	Approver	To Pos	Status (Pending/Approved/Rejected)	Updated (Y/N)
07/11/2015 - 15:41	62	CuSS	ahirshy	26	mizjif	13	Pending	N
07/11/2015 - 15:41	62	Al	ahirshy	15	mizjif	13	Pending	N
07/11/2015 - 16:09	66	CuSS	mattlward	29	mizjif	18/19		N
07/11/2015 - 16:42	67	CuSS	abang.tegak		mizjif	33	Approved	Y
07/11/2015 - 16:48	69	CuSS	ahirshy		Blank	31	Approved	Y
07/11/2015 - 21:01	88	Al	DanielM	25	Pregulla	22	Approved	Y
07/11/2015 - 21:55	91	CuSS	B42		Blank	42	Approved	Y

I’m on holiday at the moment, so this is just the first few I could muster this-morning for this post; and if agreed, I can update it each night.

What say you mate; do you reckon that would be helpful?…

My personal opinion is that it is genuinely making people talk to each other when they might not have before. On the plus side, all this position swapping nonsense (granted it is ridiculous!), is driving engagement amongst individuals; and we are all chatting, PM’ing each other, and showing enthusiasm and passion for the hobby and groupbuy. So I don’t think these necessarily a bad thing or classified as spam posts.

Also, it keeps the visibility of this thread high at the top of the forum and therefore generates more interest and, ultimately, uptake of the Groupbuy. (I only added myself for a third and fourth set so that I appeared in a numbered position 31! - which was then disrupted!) It’s all fun and games!

Hirshy

@Terms and Conditions on positions and swaps

It is unlikely for people to receive the exact serial number of their preference regardless of their position on the lists. It is both a tracking nightmare for the Group-buy admin, and worse logistically for the manufacturer. Imagine that unit number 3 gets dropped, broken or fails whilst in the factory after a production run, and they decide to trash it. Suddenly everyone past number 3 might receive a number different than on the list.

Nonetheless some people are more interested in their position and numbering for any given/bizarre/weird/petty/superstitious reasons which is up to them. Not everyone will care about such minor things, or even understand the rationale, but there is nothing stopping them showing interest in swapping positions whatever the reason. (These are probably the same thoughts our wives have when we come home with yet another ‘boring torch’ to add to our shelf collection of 50 that all do the same darn thing!)

Krono has stated in the OP that the “sooner you get your name on the list, the lower the S/N you will receive!” Note the emphasis on ‘LOWER’, which does not necessarily mean EXACT! Therefore these positions and swap requests should be considered only as ‘position in list (and possible, maybe, tentative, but not very likely, serial!)’, instead of ‘desired serial number position’.

This is being facilitated simply because some people feel it would still be nice to be in the desired position on the list (-even if it is only on the list!), but understand that it is probably just a number position “on the list” and not any form of guaranteed representation of serial number.)

I appreciate your willingness to help, Hirshy (and others). Please feel free to update me and I will make the changes necessary when time allows.

Everyone, please keep in mind that this is an interest list and nothing is written in concrete yet (specs, timeframes etc.)…including no guarantee of S/N assignment. As stated previously, it is likely to be a logisitical nightmare…so please don’t expect it! We will do our best to make it happen, but, ultimately, it is about the lights, not S/N placement. I am also not sure if we will be able to mix tints within a set also, but I will check on it.

Considering the brisk reaction time we have been getting on test samples, I fully expect this GB to materialize at a faster pace than previous GBs. I don’t forsee a problem having this ready for the Christmas season. Nevertheless, this is not a guarantee. There are always unforseen challenges in dealing with Group Buys!. :Sp

Additionally, we have had some really interesting suggestions on design, materials usage etc. These ideas deserve adequate attention, and are being discussed with Neal and the manufacturer of the X6-SE v2. Likewise, it is nice to see the willingness and excitement of BLFers wanting to help and push this SE light set along. The more people we have participating, the better value and specifications we can achieve.

Thanks for everyone’s effort and patience!
kronos
(updated in OP)

[mhanlen]

I didn’t see my name on list 1 and I’d like to be for WW or NW if warm isn’t available.

[kronological]

@mhanlen

Tentatively I’m interested depending on final versions. Warm white of the 1st set. Gotta have moonlight this time.

Which version…SS/CU or Al?

[cbrake10]

oh lawd. put me down for 1x CW aluminum

[mhanlen]

@kronological

@mhanlen

Tentatively I’m interested depending on final versions. Warm white of the 1st set. Gotta have moonlight this time.

Which version…SS/CU or Al?

The 1st set… SS/CU

[ToyKeeper]

@mhanlen

Tentatively I’m interested depending on final versions. Warm white of the 1st set. Gotta have moonlight this time.

The driver being used is a FET+1, and the +1 makes moon mode possible. The firmware has moon configured as part of its default mode group, but it can also be turned off by switching the mode group. Moon is calibrated to be a sub-lumen level, ideally between 0.2 lm and 0.5 lm.

[mhanlen]

@ToyKeeper

@mhanlen

Tentatively I’m interested depending on final versions. Warm white of the 1st set. Gotta have moonlight this time.

The driver being used is a FET+1, and the +1 makes moon mode possible. The firmware has moon configured as part of its default mode group, but it can also be turned off by switching the mode group. Moon is calibrated to be a sub-lumen level, ideally between 0.2 lm and 0.5 lm.

Awesome, this sounds perfect. It might rival my Armytek Tiara Pro- Jeeze is that thing low.

[DB_Custom (Dale)]

MH, it blows the doors off the Armytek… think about it. half a lumen in moon (or less) and 1600 lumens in Turbo.

[ToyKeeper]

@mhanlen

Awesome, this sounds perfect. It might rival my Armytek Tiara Pro- Jeeze is that thing low.

It’s not as low as a Zebralight. My ZL SC52 has modes at 0.10 lm, 0.02 lm, and less than 0.01 lm. However, even the brightest of these seems a bit on the dim side, especially for a 1x18650-sized light, so I aimed a little higher. The sample I’ve measured is getting 0.30 to 0.35 lm depending on battery charge. And very soon I should have another sample so I can get an estimate of how much variation to expect between units.

[ToyKeeper]

BTW, I discovered recently that Vinh sells a light similar to the BLF A6… and it reminded me just how fantastic of a deal this light is! Compared to the Vinh model, the BLF A6 has an upgraded driver, additional firmware features, and it costs like a fifth as much for a comparable configuration.

Vinh does great work, but in this case I think we’ve made something even nicer!

(and soon there will be a BLF X6v2/K6 combo with the same benefits plus more, in Krono’s new group buy)

(edit: oops, this was supposed to go in the BLF A6 thread)

[vuanhquoc]

please put me down for the $80 kit in NW please. thanks

[ahirshy]

@ToyKeeper

BTW, I discovered recently that Vinh sells a light similar to the BLF A6… and it reminded me just how fantastic of a deal this light is! Compared to the Vinh model, the BLF A6 has an upgraded driver, additional firmware features, and it costs like a fifth as much for a comparable configuration. Vinh does great work, but in this case I think we’ve made something even nicer! (and soon there will be a BLF X6v2/K6 combo with the same benefits plus more, in Krono’s new group buy)

Hi ToyKeeper, I suspect you meant to post this over in the other A6 GB thread? Totally agree with you though and it's why I hold off from investing too much £££ on custom lights because we know that this Forum has such great custom group buys.

Hirsh

P.S. Can you give me anything to help explain our flashlight passion to my Wife! She's never heard it from a girls pov, and perhaps there is something I'm just not saying right that she might appreciate or resonate with?! To her they all do the same thing and each new purchase is just one less pair of shoes!! Ta

[ToyKeeper]

@ahirshy

Hi ToyKeeper, I suspect you meant to post this over in the other A6 GB thread?

Crap, wrong thread!

I’m’a go fix that now.

[ToyKeeper]

@ahirshy

P.S. Can you give me anything to help explain our flashlight passion to my Wife! She’s never heard it from a girls pov, and perhaps there is something I’m just not saying right that she might appreciate or resonate with?! To her they all do the same thing and each new purchase is just one less pair of shoes!!

I can try. Is your wife also a photosensitive moon-dwelling immortal?

If not, I might have trouble explaining it to her. I don’t relate well to creatures of the day.

I just… like shiny things.

A lot.

[DB_Custom (Dale)]

I like bright lights and I cannot lie!
The big white ones that hurt my eye!
Well built with an itty bitty waist
And a tint with really good taste…

I like bright lights and I cannot lie!

Ask your wife how much her shoes cost? If they’re typically more expensive than your lights, sell enough pairs to buy lights to equalize that obvious imbalance. Fair is fair, right? Her makeup desk, we could buy a bunch of nice cells to equalize that big disturbance in the force right there! So, tell her you’re compromising your inner outdoorsman by buying flashlights and not guns, knives, fishing poles and all the alcohol typically consumed with those toys. See, you’re doing her a FAVOR buying lights! :bigsmile:

I have over 100 lights, my wife is ok with that, remarkably. She knows I’m home with our son, not “honkeytonkin” or in general out and about wasting money, so she’s realistic and I appreciate her for that. I get her nice stuff too, which she usually stuffs in a closet and forgets about whether it’s Victoria’s Secret or a $500 professional mixer. Go figure.

[2_DOGS]

I’m giving in too, you people are great salesmen.
8)
Put me down for one SS/CU in NW.

[jescereal]

Please put me down for another one. An AL NW one this time. I want both the NW and WW now. :bigsmile:

[SciFiFreak]

I’m in for one Al NW please

[bugsy36]

@jescereal

Please put me down for another one. An AL NW one this time. I want both the NW and WW now. :bigsmile:

Oh hell Jes :) You might as well go for the SS/Cu too....you KNOW you want to ....everybody will sooner or later - especially after the samples come out.