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08/22/15 - the end...............  and a new beginning for someone else at BLF.







08/13/15 The lathe is finally ready to run.

07/31/2015 - I felt this should be here, as well as in the contribution thread.

 To everyone who has made this thread possible, I say, Thank you for your contribution.

 

 

But words are not enough to explain the feelings I have. Words can never be enough to express those feelings. They are too many and too varied to describe, so here are a couple of quotes that might help explain. 

 

“I would maintain that thanks are the highest form of thought, and that gratitude is happiness doubled by wonder.” –GK Chesteron

 

“Feeling gratitude and not expressing it is like wrapping a present and not giving it.”– William Ward

 

“Appreciation is a wonderful thing. It makes what is excellent in others belong to us as well.” -Voltaire

 

"In ordinary life we hardly realize that we receive a great deal more than we give, and that it is only with gratitude that life becomes rich." -Dietrich Bonhoeffer

 

“Forget injuries, never forget kindnesses.” -Confucius

 

“In everything, give thanks.” -1 Thessalonians 5:18

 

"By the way, I’m wearing the smile that you gave me." -Unknown

 

 

With Thanks to members of this forum, I have:

 

A Grizzly 10 x 22 Bench Lathe

A Shars AXA Piston Type Quick Change Tool Post Set

A Grizzly Indexable Carbide Tool Bit Set - 3/8" 

A Grizzly External Threading Tool Holder - 12mm x 16mm Right-hand

An Internal Threading tool holder Right-hand

A Right-Hand boring bar

Inserts for ALL of the tooling

A Shars 3/4" Drill Chuck with Arbor

SAE and Metric Screw Thread Pitch Measure Gages

Three Knurling Tools, (I like Knurling)

An Altai Center Drill/countersink combined

A Live Center

An Expanding Arbor Set 8 Pc.

An 8" Digital Caliper

A set of 3 Digital Micrometers

A set of Telescoping gauges

A Grizzly Magnetic Base/Dial Indicator Combo

ISO 68 and ISO 32 oils for the Lathe, along with Tapping/Cutting Fluid

Enough funds to go buy Rod stock in Aluminum, Copper, Brass and Plastic

And don't forget, A hand made Lathe bench

EDIT: 08/03/15 - Due to the additional money coming in and due to shopping for the lowest price on items, I have also purchased a larger Drill press and a portable band saw, that I will modify into a chop saw style band saw. 

 

Also, there are over 25 new, or as new, flashlights sitting in the shop, waiting for me to touch them all and mod them, so I can re-sell them.

 

 

I'm sure I left something out.

 

Oh, a heart that is so full of humility & admiration for the kindness of everyone here, that it is hard to keep the feelings inside my chest.

 

No more words to say now...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, not exactly, LOL.

 

This will be a big learning curve. Before all of this happened I had touched a lathe maybe twice in my life and not knowing a thing, I made a couple simple parts out of it, along with slightly damaging a couple HSS cutters and enraging a tool maker, when he found out the night guy had played with the Lathe..., more than once.

 

So, it will take time for me to learn how to use the lathe. It will take more time for me to practice what I learn, to be proficient. It will take time to turn ideas into something that can be made, or can't be made. Lots of time, plenty of time... 

 

Through all that, you will get to watch, if you desire. You will get to see first hand when the Lathe arrives and when it's mounted in place. You will see when it is first inspected and when I first use some of the terminology, by naming the parts of the lathe. You will get to see and hear the first turn on and the initial break in and you will get to see and hear all of the trials and tribulations of making flashlights out of chunks of metal and a machine. That is part of my thank you as well. It will be an ongoing thank you and an interesting one, I hope.

Just be patient, more patient than I will be, as I wait out the heat of summer, while itching to be in the shop, playing with new ideas.

 

Again, Thank you All.

 

Justin

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I figured I would start a thread about the progression of the lathe project. It's the least I can do. First video is really short, but don't get used to it, you know how much I love to talk.Wink

The bench will be wood. It saves a bunch of change that an be used elsewhere, like buying rod stock or tooling. The pile has mostly 2x4s with a few 1x6s. The top will be 1x6 boards, with 2x4 boards backing it. Six legs, four of them under the heavy end and two under the light end. Supports near the bottom of the legs, to keep them steady. I plan on a hole in the center of the top, so chips will fall through into a box. Thanks to VB for telling me that one, or I would not have thought of it.

I plan on making this week-end a torture test, making a bench in the garage. The temp inside today is 102F. Just a little warm. Maybe I will sweat off some of this old age fat.

More when I get more.

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07/25/15 Update

ola1a

So I got up at around 5:30AM and went to HD at 6AM, to get some screws that I "thought I had" and came back to break out the Table Saw...    Well, it's a table and there's a saw...  Hey, it's "old school", Tongue Out

 

 

ola1b

MRsDNF said something about marking twice, or cutting twice, or something like that. Well, I always mark twice, as a saw guide. That way I don't have to think I just cut between the lines. I can't read between the lines, but I can cut between them.Wink

 

 

 

ola1c

The first ever O-L Selfie! Surprised It's 90F in the shop already and I always sweat like crazy. I knew you wanted to know that.Laughing

 

 

ola1d

The frame for the table top is laid out. Not screwed together just yet. The left side is for the heavy end of the lathe. A support will be on either side of the hold down bolt area.

 

ola1e

First leg is set in place. I like to test stuff out before putting it together for real. This table will be 36" tall and should put the lathe where I can work on it without bending over too much. Easier on the back that way. Six legs total.

 

ola1f

The wood is cut for the bottom frame that will go about 6 inches up from the bottom.

Time to go take a break and sit under the fan for a while. Hopefully, I will be back later.

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07/26/15

72615a

I am working on it, really, but just slowly. The top frame is glued and screwed together. The legs are glued and screwed together, but not to the top yet. I just set them in there, to give you an idea. I still hope to get it done today, but reality suggests tomorrow at the soonest.

I will be ordering the lathe Monday, as well as the majority of the tooling. 

72515ac

Ok, it's almost finished. The top boards are not screwed down yet. I have to take the hand saw and do a little planing of the legs on top, but I should finish that in the morning. I think I will add Plywood on top of that and maybe even a piece of Diamond plate on both ends. Don't know for sure yet. I'm not worried about the sides any more. Adding the bottom run of 2x4 made this thing rock solid. The adjustable feet should come later in the week.

 And, so far, it's still under $100 for the table.

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07/27/15

I believe the table is done. I haven't decided on the diamond plate yet. The plywood is pretty tough as is. I know, I cut it by hand.Smile Anyhow, it's about too heavy to pick up, so it ought to be about right for the lathe.Tongue Out

de32

I added plywood on the bottom shelf too and boards on the back side. It won't go anywhere and it won't vibrate either. Wood is a good dampener for that.

Oh, I ordered the lathe this morning! How it works is, you order, then Grizzly contacts shippers, to find out who can fufill the order, so I wait a couple days to hear back. Nothing is paid for yet, not till the shipping agreement is reached. In my case, I don't expect a shipper will agree, since no Semi's are allowed in our 55 and over community. Even if one got in here, there's no place to turn around. The driver wouldn't like that.     I'm following Dan's lead and when I know who the shipper is, I will call them directly and talk with them about it. I figure if everything goes right, it should show up next week. I won't order anything else till I know about the lathe.

Another short video of the bench in place and the Diamond plate added.

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1234

Not real good at duct work, but it has a pan now, to guide the chips into a box below. Still waiting for something from Grizzly about shipping. Nothing has been ordered yet! Called again today. Hope to hear something positive, but not counting on it. Grizzly seems to be too big to know what they are doing.

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07/31/15 - Good News! Grizzly is "Supposed to" ship the Lathe today!

I ordered just about everything and purchased what I could, locally, like some necessary measuring instruments.

vr43

Calipers, Micrometers and some ID gauges. I rearranged the old tool box and took out all of the socket sets. Put them into storage, as I do not work on cars any more. I can still get to them easy enough. I happened to have a large section of the foam made just for tool boxes. so I lined a few drawers and cut out for the instruments. At least it looks professional.Wink

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08/02/15

 nmnm

Made up some side boxes for holding the tool holders and other accessories. I will also hang some hooks from the other end, for the gears.

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08/03/2015 - Let there be light.

cd321

I just happened to have some leftover 2x4s and a 4' Fluorescent light hanging around. Not only can I hang the light from that monster, but maybe the wife too! The uprights should also work as a support for the backplate from the lathe.

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08/05/2015 - Time to get the car out of the garage and clean the floor, for the new arrival. I sure hope it shows up tomorrow. After the disaster with the drill press, I don't know.

I mentioned that I bought a drill press didn't I?         Well, that was a big fiasco. I bought it at sears online. It was $218 on sale. It was supposed to ship to me, from Mesquite, TX. So it did, to the wrong address and after trying to deal with the non-english speaking Sears reps, they told me I had to contact UPS myself!!     Ok, so I did that, only to find the drill press had been shipped right back to Mesquite, TX.  After another frustrating round of non-english speaking Sears reps, I canceled and took a refund and went down to Harbor Freight with my 20% off coupon.

I wasn't going to buy a drill press. I was going for the Flex shaft Rotary grinder, AKA - Big Old Foredom Clone. So, I had to have a manager find it and while he was getting it down, I mentioned that I wanted one of the drill presses, because of the Sears screw up and one of the HF ones is exactly the same drill press, except for the color. I told him that Sears had it for $218 and couldn't he cut down the $269 price there? Well, he did a little figuring and told me the 20% off coupon would take it to around $216. I said great, but what about the other item I am buying. He said I could always go home and come back with another coupon and they would honor it and I said, "Why don't you just go get one out of your desk drawer and give it to me now and do both deals. A sale is a sale and if I walk out, I'm going to Sears." So he did and I got both items for 20% off and in the long run, it's a better deal, because if anything goes wrong, all I have to do is take it back, instead of dealing with the Sears Weenies!

sdp1
It has a lot more height than the other one and I needed that. It also has a bigger motor and table. I should be able to do some things I couldn't do with the other drill press.
 
 
 
aqvbr46u

The high speed grinder is basically just a motor with a flex shaft and a chuck on the end, to take bits like a Dremel does. It's just that is can run faster speeds and has a higher torque, so it will do bigger jobs faster. The bit holder handle uses a chuck just like a drill press, with a chuck key, so it can hold the bits much better too. Lots of new stuff in the shop these days.

 

The wife asked me when things were going to go back to normal...   I didn't reply, after all, what could I say that wouldn't piss her off.Tongue Out

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08/06/15 The lathe has arrived and the first part of the video is up.

Well, I told you there would be a lot of videos...

And Photos...

tha

USP shows up at about 11:00 AM.

 

 

thb

Yep and I'm right there riding the guy's ass.      Get that box off that truck,    Little man.

 

thc

 

 

 

 

thd

I'm tellin ya, if ya don't set it right over there, I'm a gonna whoop ya with this here 2x4.

 

 

 

the

I was just jokin round.

 

 

thf

Time to inspect for damage

thg

and again

thh

I knew I would find some if I looked hard enough!

 

 

thab

Ok, I will sign, but I got to write down the damage.   Hey, watcha lookin at over there on that table where all the flashlights are?

 

 

thaa

Hurry up and give me that receipt and move along.

thac

'bout time.

 

 

 

thad

Finally, alone with my baby!

 

 

thae

Hey, don't that look like a girl lathe, I think she's a winkin at me.

 

thaf

Baby, I got half a mind to climb right on in there and....    Oh, the wife's still takin photos,   well later then.

 

 

that

The Grizzly G0602 10x22 lathe.

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 The lathe is now in place. It went very well. No screw ups at all.

 

2aq1

Time for a break and early tomorrow morning, I will level it.

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First Lathe Mod... Oh, you didn't think I would leave it stock did you?

md1a

The back cover for the pulleys and gears, cannot open, because it is hinged so that it opens towards the wall. There is no room for that, so a mod is called for.

 

md1b

I haven't decided to make it lift straight up, or pull out straight back. If I make it lift up, I have to cut off the lower lip of the cover, so I will probably make it come out straight back and keep the cover intact. I can loose the hinges and make two plates that interlock as the cover goes on. Shouldn't be too hard to do.

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 Long video. some guy rambling on about some lathe. Doesn't sound like he knows much about it.

Told you I would drown y'all in videos.  Should I be using another format than Flash?  Iframe? Shockwave? Windows Media? Realmedia?

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08/08/15

 No photos, no videos, just an update on status. I spent yesterday afternoon and this morning, tearing down the lathe. I tore down the Compound rest, the crossover and the chuck. The reason was that I found a lot of dirt and tiny metal shavings inside those areas. Up inside the slides of the compound and the crossover and inside the chuck. So, I now have them all back together and they are all moving smoothly now.

The other and bigger issue, is the low speed belt. It was pre-installed on the lathe and I found it to be so tight, that I could not remove it. Even after loosening the mounting bolts for the motor, I could not get any slack. I had to pry it off, as I rolled the pulley over by hand and I will not put it back on. The low speed belt and high speed belt should be loose enough to be able to change to different pulleys easily and there is a tensioner arm, to take up slack. The high speed belt is the correct length and works fine, but the low speed belt is too small. The problem is that these are not regular V belts. They are Z series belts, used frequently in Europe and the UK, but no one carries them in the US and I will not waste money on Grizzly belts, because they will be wrong. I have never found a Grizzly replacement belt that would fit anything.

 

So, I need to find a UK member and get him/her to go to "The Bearing Company", in the UK and buy a couple of Z belts and send them to me. I will make a new thread post about it. The Bearing Company, does not ship to the US or Canada. They ship just about every place else, but not to the US. 

Anyhow, for now, it will sit, till I get belts for it. Just an FYI.

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 08/12/2015

Not much going on. I got in the fractional belts and now I can run the lathe, with the replacement belts and use the tensioner, to take up the slack, so it's good to go there. 

br34

 

 

mjuyu

I also made a little cover over the chuck area. I noticed it tended to sling a little oil, so I thought the cover would keep that from flying into the garage. Probably could have covered the whole thing, but it would be hard to work around it. This one folds up and out of the way.

mjhw45

 

That's it. I am waiting for parts to come in. I have a drill and tap coming, so I can drill out and tap the base plate for the QC tool rest. I also have some handles coming, to replace a couple of the stock ones, with ones that free spin, like the carriage and crossover do. Once the QC tool rest is attached, I will to some test turning and threading.

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 08/13/15 - I received the drill and tap, so I could drill out the bottom plate, for the tool rest. I have done that and now it is in place.

 

mju7

This means, the lathe is now ready to run.

 

nhi8

All covered up, to keep it from running away.

 

 

by07

I also got a handy chart for speeds of different metals and different ODs. It's for HSS tools, but I can adapt for Carbide. At least it's a starting point.

Now, all I have to do, is wait for cool weather.

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You knew I wouldn't wait till fall!

First chips video.



mj654456

More to figure out. The change gears won't come off the shaft, so time to tear that down. I think this lathe was made on a Monday.

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I'll watch the video when I get time but would like to give you some advice that wood makes an excellent heat source. Well to me it does anyway. Good luck with the bench and remember cut twice and measure once.Laughing

 

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Wood will work just fine. Don’t know exactly what you have in mind but if you are going to have long spans of unsupported boards split them and then glue back together. Really stiffens up the wood and there will be little to no warping.

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TiteBond 3 and a Kreg Jig, your good to go… The Kreg Jig is available at the box stores and minus the special screws, makes things easy to build and strong…

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Use somethin’ bigger than 2×4’s where you can. 6×6’s, 4×4’s and 2×6’s etc. Lathes be freakin’ heavy. And vibratey. And vibration and flex in your table is NOT a good thing.

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subscribed to a interesting project…

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i do not work in "reviews, deals and codes" for the time being
maybe M4D M4X will return one day, but until then:

THANK YOU FOR YEARS OF YOUR SUPPORT AND FRIENDLY CONTACTS!

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I would do what you can to get a steel table. Big Chuck at the machine shop says you can find them used , cheap , and already made

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This kind of machinery needs a solid foundation. I don't think wood is a wise choice.

I'm sure there's someone who can help fabricate a decent metal frame for it.

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Don’t underestimate the strength and durability of wood. Properly braced, glued, and nailed or screwed wood is hard to beat.

This table was built 27 or 28 years ago. 2×4 bracing, 4×4 legs, and 2 layers of 1/2 inch plywood for the top. Built to mount a 4 stage reloading press on. Just as flat and square as the day it was built.

Next two tables were built around 18 years ago. 1×6 decking boards for bracing, 4×4 legs, and butcher block tops. Both are also as flat and square as the day they were built.


You don’t need to use a butcher block top, plywood will work fine. I would put a cross brace under the top running the shortest distance every 12 to 16 inches for rigidity. Using 4×4’s for legs lets you have a full 3.5 inches to screw to on both the sides and ends. I would use glue as well as screws and clamp tightly when assembling. All three tables also have bracing about a foot off the floor with a piece of plywood mounted on them to form a shelf. I would not hesitate to place a full size car or truck on any of these tables. A lathe is nothing for either of these table.

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A sturdy wood table is very capable to hold that lathe. I had my first Milling Machine on a wood table,(A 1961 stand-less Knee-Mill) the machine weighted over 500 Lbs. The legs were 4×4“s, the frame was 2×6”, and top was 2×8“s. Looking forward to watching you work your magic on the new lathe with the MagLites and anything you build. Smile

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Metal ain't cheap around Tyler. The fab shop that I could find here, quoted $350 to make one and this one will end up being quite a bit less. Many hobbyists have used wood tables for these same lathe's and they work just fine. Have faith.

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My gunsmith buddy worked on a table of his own make that was all wood. He bored holes through 2×4’s on edge and ran 1” all thread through the stack, glued em and bolted em together then cut off the all thread ends flush on the outside and glued on a last 2×4, screwed it on as a cover.

With 4×4 legs and a plywood shelf at the right height off the floor, the thing is virtually indestructible.

The size you’re talking about here should make it easy to make an extremely solid bench.

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Good luck OL... looking forward to seeing this taking shape!

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If anyone doubts what can be done with wood, look at this guys site: Woodgears

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If you build it, and you find that it needs stiffening up, 5/8”* plywood connecting the legs at the back and sides will do wonders. (They could even be 2’ wide and still help massively, if you wanted to maximize the yield from a single sheet.)

Oh, and if the top needs stiffening, a layer of plywood underneath the top would create a crazy stiff torsion box.

  • * ‘course, it’ll be labeled 19/32”, just to confuse us home despot shoppers…


 

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Metal ain't cheap around Tyler. The fab shop that I could find here, quoted $350 to make one and this one will end up being quite a bit less. Many hobbyists have used wood tables for these same lathe's and they work just fine. Have faith.

Wood is good!  It dampens vibration. I have a wood bench my Dad made me 35 + years ago,  still in use. I suspect that if Justin builds it, you could park a tank on it with confidence. Wink   Dan.

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Regarding vibration , what about a rubber mat on top of the table,
so justin doesn’t wake up the neighbors at 4am.

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I like wood. Gussets(glued and screwed)are a good idea for stiffening the angle between legs and top on a lighter weight table, as well as adding a shelf below. If the shelf below is too low you can attach cleats under the top for a debris tray. Wood is also compressible though so oversized bolt washers should be added under the correct sized ones.

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Wow a hand saw—I couldn’t imagine cutting all that with a handsaw—I’m a carpenter in fact—as far as two lines —if you’re right handed you cut on the right of the line —two lines seems like it would make you cross eyed LOL—I sure could of sent you a skillsaw (circular) I only have around 15 not in use (retired framing/trim contractor) I have woodworking tools—If your table isn’t quite solid enough try boxing 3 sides with plywood or at least put something like a 2×12 tight in between the legs

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Agreed. (another woodworker here) Wrapping the base/legs with plywood will really eliminate racking forces.
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Wow a hand saw--I couldn't imagine cutting all that with a handsaw--
My left arm is bigger around than my right one is, now... Smile   I'm used to it. I have never used a power saw. You should have seen when I used to cut full sheets of plywood with a hand saw. We used to do that you know, back in the day.Wink  Keeps ya young.Laughing

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Old-Lumens wrote:
My left arm is bigger around than my right one is, now…

Well, bet it ain’t due to sawin’… Party

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you could pour a base from a concrete, should not be expensive, but it will be heavy, and stiff, I like wood, very good material for most things, (even lights, lol) , but for lathe, idk, I mean it will work, but it is not that good for vibrations, something you do not want with lathe, for small wood lathe wood base may work fine, but prbly not for larger metal lathe that need precision, just my 0.02

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There’s a reason they call these bench lathe’s, it’s 400 pound machine. I’m likin’ the plan, go for it.

IMHO if you tried bolt it down to a steel table or frame that wasn’t machined flat, you could risk twisting the bed.
Maybe unlikely, but a consideration.

Another thought when OL bolts this baby down, it might be best to not to over tighten the bolts for the same reason.

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richnpc wrote:
There's a reason they call these bench lathe's, it's 400 pound machine. I'm likin' the plan, go for it. IMHO if you tried bolt it down to a steel table or frame that wasn't machined flat, you could risk twisting the bed. Maybe unlikely, but a consideration. Another thought when OL bolts this baby down, it might be best to not to over tighten the bolts for the same reason.

+1 AND.... That's what shims are for.

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Streamer wrote:

richnpc wrote:
There’s a reason they call these bench lathe’s, it’s 400 pound machine. I’m likin’ the plan, go for it. IMHO if you tried bolt it down to a steel table or frame that wasn’t machined flat, you could risk twisting the bed. Maybe unlikely, but a consideration. Another thought when OL bolts this baby down, it might be best to not to over tighten the bolts for the same reason.

+1 AND…. That’s what shims are for.


Or vibration dampers. Purpose of the link is only to show what kind of gizmo I ment. There are obviously better options to safeguard the peace in the House of O-L. Bolting something down can be a very effective means of transporting sound all over the place. http://www.directindustry.com/prod/rg-schwingungstechnik-gmbh/product-91...

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updated one photo in the OP. 07/26/15

I will use the good suggestions about plywood or at least more boards, to bind the legs together. I will also be using adjustable feet. I will have the T nuts and feet coming next week. They will have rubber soles.Wink

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