NCR18650PF showing as NiMH on my VC4

It’s a lesson you have to pay: “Don’t give any tech that you care about to a woman” :wink:
Or it might be that your K40M is faulty!

nah its got nothing to do with the light. i accidentally mixed up 2 NCR18650B with a single NCR18650PF… I would replace the batteries every half hour of use. but since my sisters were using it till the higher high output were low i guess thats where the fault is… :frowning:

Nothing has been dispose of as of yet…. I don’t own a multimeter, and the charger is fine… :slight_smile:

Yes, but how can you explain that the low voltage warning was not activated on the light!. I thought you can’t use K40M “till the higher high output were low” you should get some warning before that! no? Also how do you explain that mixing B and PF cells would cause so huge load and drainage on PF cell!

Xtar SP1 also claims to resque over discharged batteries.

http://www.xtarlight.com/05-chanpin/p-001-1.asp?styleid=293

And it will not “diagnose” your batteries to be NiMH, because it’s a LiIon-only charger.

edit: and maybe M4D M4X can give you a coupon to ease the pain.

ctually i have no idea… it worked for me maybe my sister ignored it but only returned the light once it couldnt produce enough light

Totally agree with you now!

My advice is not totally safe but it will work 100% because its new battery. Just take 9V battery and connect it with your PF just for few seconds, and do it 5-6 times. PFs are hibrid battery and should handle it just fine. That way you will raise voltage to 2+ volts and yor charger will recognize it. Do it outside and watch carefully on + and - that is in correct order

I will try ASAP… So + side to - or - side to + side?

Just in parallel + to + and - to - also minus on 9V is the bigger one

OKAI! THANK YOU! :slight_smile:

Hope it will work, just tell us results

If the battery won't hold a charge it's dead, period. Trying to recharge it knowing that it won't even hold 1.5v is just asking for trouble. The reason it won't charge up and is self-discharging is because shunts (small short circuits) formed inside the cell; if you do try and force charge it you could put enough energy in there to cause the cell to heat up significantly and possibly vent.

Whatever you do, do it outdoors and remember — don’t inhale if it vents.

What gets damaged is a very thin film of something like Gore-Tex membrane — microscopic pores that let the two different chemicals on either side interact to make electricity flow.

The damage is not a sudden event, it’s a degradation of that membrane, either the texture gets damaged, or crystals grow on one side of it and as they grow they can slowly poke a hole in it.

The sudden event is the result of having had the damage develop inside the cell due to mistreatment — overdischarge, overheating, thermal cycling, dropping, looking at it crosseyed if it’s a fake — or just damaged by being made in dirty conditions where metal scraps or crap can be inside the cell affecting how it behaves.

Lithium-ion cells are not inherently safe. They are safe to the extent they’re made right and treated right.
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You would be surprised if you met some of the people who contributed to the best tech you can buy hereabouts.

Trying to preserve a battery that has likely been damaged and can fail spectacularly isn’t something I would do. With battery prices being what they are these days you can replace it for around $6, which is less than a decent burger.

You should use remotely operated robot to jump start over-discharged PF cell :smiley:

I have to ask the question why mixing this cell with a 2 Panasonic b in a K40 would cause it to discharge so far?

Because lower resistance,and better discharging,in serial connection it will drain faster then B one’s

I appreciate the response, but would it discharge that low?

That is correct. The rest, not so much. Gambling when the choices are between “nothing good” and “possibly very bad” is — asking for trouble.
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That is good advice from RMM who an expert and has long experience with this sort of thing.

Marcl: two unmatched cells in series can cause the weaker one to go down not only to zero but to reverse.

Guys, you really, really should read up on this technology.

It is not inherently safe.

Google really, really wants to be your friend:

Most everybody these days knows not to use gasoline carelessly.
But it took a lot of experience before that precaution was common knowledge.
Experience comes from bad judgment.