Actually, there is MAP on practically everything. Most just do not know it.
As for anti-consumer...when has that been any different? Sellers and buyers have always been on the opposite sides of the table but there are things that are done by both parties that benefit the other. As a seller I want to get all your money and as a buyer I do not want to give you anything. neither one of those can actually work so a middle ground of understanding is needed.
According to what I’ve seen MAP is “Minimum Advertised Pricing” and it is imposed by manufacturers. I have seen firsthand the problems it can cause. I purchased a plasma tv from hhgregg that I was very happy with and when looking for a tv for my mother returned to the store to find they no longer carried any panasonic products. The reason? They were caught selling below the manufacturer’s MAP limits. If a seller can price an item low and still make a profit they should be allowed to do so without the threats to cut off supply of merchandise. MAP is a case of collusion to impose inflated prices on consumers.
If it’s not enforced, it isn’t MAP, just suggested retail price.
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The MAP did not cause the problem. That was HHgregg trying to undercut the others. MAP has to be enforced by the manufacturer otherwise it falls in the monopoly or price fixing category in legal terms.
And part of what manufacturer reps do is monitor that.
MAP is price fixing. It’s no different than the case years ago where the major grocery chains were found guilty of price fixing, fined, and forced to compensate consumers for artificially inflated prices. In the OP you stated:
That’s collusion and price-fixing.
Do you ever ask yourself why you have to defend manufacturers from us, the evil consumers?
I can find virtues in almost any subject if i look hard enough, it does not make them a good idea.
MAP is a form of price fixing which is legal, there are many policies that aim to reproduce profitable or discriminatory activity that has been made illegal but just barely remain on the right side of the law.
My take on Bugsy’s point of view is that MAP isn’t necessarily an evil thing.
Or if it is “bad”, it is not “all bad”. :evil:
I don’t believe that Bugsy is in any way attempting to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes - especially the sharpshooting BLF crowd.
Why is it that a touchy subject can’t be brought up without someone using ad hominem attacks?
I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the OP, but aren’t we mature enough to have a conversation around here without attacking someone personally?
Sheez… :~
Whether he is or not is not really the point, and we can discuss this topic subjectively, as brought up several times before.
Btw, the premise of the OP is flawed for MAP is ‘minimum advertised price’, and it’s imposed by the manufacturer, and I know first hand of one manufacturer who is prowling the forum for any violator of their product’s MAP pricing
from its dealers.
Dealers, on the hand, are meeting us in the middle ground by offering various promotions via pm.
Here’s a link about MAP:
Speaking of MAP i remember about Niwalker Vostro fiasco
That’s how I’ve always understood it — it’s not a lower limit for the selling price.
The manufacturer isn’t setting the bar for the price that you might pay — you can walk in the door and ask for a better price.
Oh yes, and I will be the last person to forget it:
…and that was before the GB/BG dogfight !!!
tl;dr
dont care about map. we seem to get around it 90% of the time.
sometimes the deals get killed, but then 5 more take its place.
BINGO!!!!
It is illegal for suppliers to:
It is also illegal for resellers to ask their suppliers to use recommended price lists to stop competitors from discounting. In most cases, a supplier may specify a maximum price for retail.
from: https://www.accc.gov.au/business/anti-competitive-behaviour/imposing-minimum-resale-prices
Call me what you may. I could give a rat's tooshie. What I am is not what you call a shill but a businessman.... Which based on your posts of late that is one thing that you cannot and thankfully do not lay claim to. There is a big difference between explaining how something works vs defending something. You can stay in the cheese line all you like and complain that they only gave one block instead of two. I do not believe in entitlement and certainly do believe that anything is free. Moreover, there is proof in my methods of practice.
Exactly. It is not all bad. Too many people believe that it is for manufacturers to charge more when in reality it is not. Just think about it...if we lost every single local dealer then all lights would end up having to get ordered in from China and everyone would have to wait weeks to get theirs. There are people that will pay twice as much as us to get what they want immediately.
When the deals get so loud that they start popping up on search engines then yeah..they will shut them down. For the most part WE do not have to worry about it.
If you wish to argue about MAP then i stand by my statement thats its the closest legal thing to price fixing allowed (of course if a few more pro business supreme court justices are assigned next term consumers will lose many more rights, which some argue is a good thing).
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If you wish to argue about MAP then i stand by my statement thats its the closest legal thing to price fixing allowed (of course if a few more pro business supreme court justices are assigned next term consumers will lose many more rights, which some argue is a good thing).
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Let's go with that....
Does anybody realize that every McDonalds, Denny's, Taco Bell, or any franchise, actually does the same thing? That is some of the broadest "price fixing" that I have ever seen. To make it worse...it really is not needed in those examples but their prices are still dictated.