Thank you, again for the simple clarity… that’s all I was getting at with too many words and too much risk of your loyal supporters perceiving I have attacked you. You are not your argument, I’m sure you know that. Again, I just felt the comparison of mass produced items from a large shop to individually produced lights from an individual was not a good basis to describe to anyone interested in heading up a group buy. The lights themselves may be of similar utility, material and quality, but the market sets price based not on manufacturing cost, but other less tangibles. A group buy is all about the manufacturering cost… what can we get as a group with our group buying power… and it could not work if it was about creating something so rare and desired that its introductory market price was too high or even anywhere above the ordinary retail level.
That said, it is very possible nothing like the lights produced in this group buy might ever be made again, and that would increase its rarity and market value if the demand stays the same. This increase in market value still won’t affect the manufacturing cost which is based on other pressures, as you suggest, such as the cost of living and a workers’ wages.
I try to be a straight shooter, but it comes out verbose and confusing. Sorry for my inability to fine tune and make a clear and simple point.
In my 3 Al sets, all the X5’s came with the clip attached and the X6 without the clip attached.
As other have noted, the X5 clip is designed for deep pocket carry but the gap between the clip and the attachment ring is too small not allowing the clip to fully seat in even the thinnest of pockets. I wonder what would be the best way to resolve this without breaking the current clip or scratching up the finish on the light too much.
Clip aside, I am really having fun with these lights. The output is amazing and I am enjoying learning about the various programming modes.
I do not get this Rarity and Market Value stuff? I mean there has to be a profit in anything for it to be valuable, but like the old joke goes: What do air and sex have in common? Answer: They both aint no big deal until your not getting any…. Value can be placed on a product and never realized by a buyer, then it sits there, unsold. The flashlight world seems so big here, but in the real world, there are many that would NEVER pay even $30 for a pair of lights like this, even after you explain how beautiful, unique and special your little snowflakes are…
There are junkyards full of stuff people thought were valuable at one time. How much landfill space is taken up by beanie babies and such? In ten years, what will the battery, emitter and driver technology look like?
IF you want to make a monetary profit off of this place, you should be the one hosting the GB. I would personally have every one of these shipped to me if I were getting this many complaints over SN and scratches, etc. I would then put 1/3 into a busy gravel parking lot and throw the another 1/3 down the longest set of concrete stairs I could find. A matched set would then come from either the stair group or the parking lot group. The ones that posted they didnt care about SN would get the 1/3 that had no extra engraving…
Seriously, go to a plumbing store and buy $40 worth of solid copper plumbing fittings like valves and reduction couplings, it aint going to weigh much more than the X5 when you get $40 worth, so we are really getting these for a bargain. By the way, they lump the special and expensive plumbing fittings into bins and let them get dinged up… I like the dings, makes me want to use them anyway, both the lights and the fittings… Rant over…
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Muggle mode “high” is about half power or 5/6th maximum perceived brightness. This is detailed in the text manual above, and also hinted at in the UI diagram.
This is also answered in the text manual. Both sets have identical behavior, thermal step-down that you can configure (or disable) yourself.
Has anyone received the S.S./Cu set ordered without a box yet? The problems seem to have come with the ‘boxed sets’. Wondering how the sets are packaged that come without the box?
thanks ToyKeeper for your reply here, as well as your reply to my earlier question about what the default mode specs were. Thanks for a bazillion other things you do, while addressing both kings and paupers alike. That’s rare!
Here's a weird finding when comparing 2 Al X6's received today.
All modes work correctly on both lights except batt check. Using the same cell in both lights, reading 4.05V on my meter, one light will report 4.1V and the other reports 2.5V. I know these will vary to a certain degree, but was wondering about the one reading 1.5V low.
I tested both lights twice, switching the cell between lights each time. I guess I will do a config reset on the light reading low to see if that makes a change in the behavior. Other than the batt check, all seems to be working as intended currently. Thanks for any other ideas anyone might have.
By the way, I'm impressed and pleased with the Al versions as much as the Cu/SS set. Guys at work are pissed that these are limited. I've already had to put a beat down on one guy to get my Cu X5 back.
Edit: reset didn't work. I didn't think it would but worth a shot.
I got my AL set. I don’t have much to say about it really. I only played with the X6 so far, and to make it short and simple, it is the best single emitter light I have ever had my grubby hands on. I could elaborate, but, what more is there to say? Incredible. Thank you so much, guys and gal. My wallet hates you, but keep it up!
I received my unboxed SS/Cu set today as well as my Al set and the first word to come to my mind is a word I don’t even use; exquisite! Both lights are in what I would call flawless condition. The X5 is just gorgeous! The X6 is just as gorgeous, however for me the all-copper light was the “crown jewel” of my purchase and it lived up to all my expectations.
My boxed set was still in NY last time I checked, but to be honest, seeing these lights today confirms what I had suspected all along which is this; I would be just as satisfied with the unboxed lights. As a matter of fact, the factory boxes these lights come in are quite nice. There is the heavier, stiffer foam inside which protects the light very nicely. The boxes were taped shut, however, I was able to remove all tape from the boxes, even from under the product label (yes, I cannot deny this was very OCD :laughing:. The bag of accessories was of course included in the box. The X5 did come with the clip installed and it is clear, an uninstalled clip would not fit in the X5 box. These factory boxes were simply wrapped in some white foam wrap and mailed in a non-bubble plastic mailer. However, due to the nature of the factory boxes as well as them being taped shut, these lights were safe and secure and one should not encounter any shipping issues with these. I will try to post some pics later today.
Oh, and the Al set; equally impressive! If you have not gotten one of these Al sets for this price, you had better jump on one! The price on these is simply unbeatable. Also, these lights are shipped in the same manner and come in the same factory boxes.
Additionally, I was able to remove the X5 clip with little difficulty. I simply grasped the light with my fingers and spread the clip apart with my thumbs while simultaneously pushing the clip away from me. The clip sprung off and there was no damage to the host. Anyone with a reasonable amount of hand strength should be able to accomplish this.
I know I have stated this previously but I would like to give another thanks to the entire Kronos team for putting together such an awesome collection of lights for an incredible price!
To widen the clip width, remove clip from flashlight, get a pair of these or regular pliers if you don’t have any. Tape clip to deter scratches. Lock pliers one half inch below the bend in clip on the side closest to the flashlight, make sure the pliers are straight, hold pliers firmly or clamp in vise, hit the area between the bend and the piers with a hammer until desired width is achieved.
Tailstanding at bedside resulted in less than 5minutes of run time with it gradually stepping down in levels then shutting off. It will turn back on but then will repeat the process.
I was hoping that all would be fine, minus batt check but that does not seem to be the case. Thanks TK for pointing out the not so obvious to me.
