Which laptop battery pack yields the best, highest capacity 18650's

This is my first posting. I read the whole tread, a lot of good info, thanks guys.
I have disassembled hundreds of laptop batteries, some from the local junk yard, others from auction sales,and some from friends and other sources. I bought 38 brand new Gateway batteries from a local source, I believe they were disposed of because they were the ones that caught on fire. I believe the problem was in the charging circuitry, the cells seem to be fine.
The cells were Sanyos they are pink, Sanyo cells are color coded, look at the positive end. White is 2000 mAh, red is 2200 mAh, green is 2400 mAh, blue is 2600 mAh, and purple is 2800 mAh.
I recently purchased a lot of laptop batteries, maybe 25, the ones yielding the highest capacity were Lenovos, I found two or three with 3000 mAh cells. The best part of this find was a large percentage of the batteries were almost fully charged.
I have been disassembling batteries for a number of years, the best method is the brute force method, grasp the battery firmly on one end, slam the corner on a hard surface then turn it and do the opposite corner, turn the battery end for end and repeat. It takes me about a minute to finish the job. Be careful not to hit the center of the battery, you might damage one of the cells.
Most of the lithium cells are rated at 3.6 or 3.7 volts, if they are charged to 4.2 volts it increases the capacity to almost double, this new batch seems to be happy at 4.2 volts.

Junkman Jim

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What’s the best way to recycle the dead laptop pulled cells? Just drop them in a LOWES recycling bin (with the ends taped)?

Just to name a few places that recycle batteries other then Lowe’s:
Home Depot , Radio Shack , Best Buy and maybe HH Gregg.
This is just some of the bigger name places , nationwide.

Batteries in parallel (positive to positive, negative to negative) multiply current (amps), voltage remains at single cell voltage.
Batteries in series (positive to negative) multiply voltage while current remains the same.
Wattage (power) is volts X amps
Capacity is either Ah (Amp Hour) or vAh (VoltAmpHour, also watt hour (Wh (or KWh on your electric bill)). The difference between watt hour and volt amp hour is something called “power factor” which doesn’t apply in DC applications since voltage and amperage are never out of phase.

Hope I’m not stating the obvious here, but I’ve seen several posts which could be easily answered with basic knowledge about electricity but not a lot that elaborate on the basics, so here we go.

A common analogy for electricity is water flow. A bucket can serve as our battery.

  • Volts is a measure of potential, the difference between the poles(terminals). A bucket of water at ground level has no potential. If you elevate it, now it has potential. The higher you elevate it, the more potential it has.
  • Amperes (Amps) measure current flow, coulombs per second. A coulomb is a fixed quantity of universal charge units. If it makes it easier, consider coulombs a fixed quantity of electrons. A bucket with no hole in it has no flow rate. Add a hole and you create flow and can then measure flow rate (water leaving over time). Bigger hole, larger flow rate. High drain devices (those which require a lot of current over a short period of time) like certain vaping devices and high output lights can deliver their maximum potential when paired with power sources that can deliver current to match the device’s needs.
  • Amp-hour (Ah or mAh (milliAmpHr = Ah/1000)) measures how much coulombs the cell can deliver. In the water analogy, how much water the bucket can hold. Remember, Amps = coulombs/hour so if we multiply that by time, we cancel out the units above and below and are left with coulombs, which in our water analogy is equal to the volume of water in the bucket.
  • You need both voltage and current flow to have power (Watts or VoltAmps). A full bucket at ground level can deliver no water. Likewise, a bucket lifted way up in the air with no hold also can not deliver water. Also, an empty bucket high up in the air also has virtually no available energy. An example of this is a Tesla coil.

The reason manufacturers use differing voltage/current combinations has to do with things like conductivity, losses, etc… Trying to push a lot of current through a small wire (or circuit) will generate a lot of heat, which is detrimental to the circuit and also generates a lot of heat, which wastes energy.

Back to battery packs. Part of the problem is that manufacturers sometimes use different voltages to calculate the voltage of their packs. The pack voltage is a multiple of the base cell voltage that they use. Some use 4.2v, 4.0v, 3.7v and others 3.6v. The first thing I do is look at the voltage rating of the pack and try to determine which base voltage they are using. If the pack voltage is 4, 8, 12, then they are probably using 4,0 volts in their calculations. 4.2, 8.4, etc… and I’d assume 4.2. 3.6, 7.2, 10.8, etc…3.6 and 3.7, 7.4, 11.1, etc… 3.7.

I also look at how many 18650’s would fit within the form factor. BTW, most modern battery packs are comprised of multiple unprotected 18650’s, but I have seen other battery types, so this is not an absolute. I’m currently looking at a battery pack from an Acer Netbook. The battery compartment is approximately 8” long and 1 5/8” wide (same as an HP laptop battery pack I’m also looking at). Converting that to metric, we get 203.2mm x 41.275mm. The nominal dimensions of an 18650 is 18.6mm diameter x 65.2mm len. Based on that, we see that we can fit 2 rows of batteries 3 high within this space (2 x 18.6mm = 39.2mm (well within 41.275), 3 x 65.2 = 195.6 (also well within 203.2mm)). Based on this, we can surmise that the pack has 6 18650 cells within.

Both the Acer and HP list their pack voltage as 10.8v, so they are using a combination of batteries in parallel and series. Since 10.8v = 3 x 3.6v, we can determine that the pack has 3 pairs of batteries, each pair comprised of 2 18650 welded (not soldered, btw) in parallel, with the 3 pairs connected in series.

The specs on the outside of the Acer pack says 10.8vdc, 4400mAh, 48Wh. From above, we know that batteries in series multiply voltage, so if we divide 10.8 by 3, we confirm Acer is using 3.6v in their calculations. Also from above, we know that batteries wired in parallel multiply capacity and since ours are in pair we can divide 4400mAh and determine that our individual cells are probably speced at around 2200mHh.

The HP specs are 10.8v, 55Wh. Dividing 55Wh by 10.8v results in 5.10Ah per cell, but don’t forget, their “cell” is actually 2 18650’s welded together in series, so to know the Ah of each 18650, we need to again divide 5.10Ah by 2 18650s so the final result is 2.55Ah per 18650.

Based on the above calculations, we can assume that in this case, the HP pack uses higher capacity 18650s, which makes sense, as it is a newer pack and I’m assuming 2550mAH batteries either didn’t exist when the Acer pack was made or they used lower capacity because of cost or other design considerations (probably the latter).

Try one of these packs if you like LG 4.35 volt cells. These cells willingly made available 2989mAh of power from 4.35 to 3.0 volts on my Opus BT-C3400 Ver. 2.1.

I love these cells!

Has to be that exact type and sticker though, Genuine Dell only.

Ebay item number: 121538052911

He has 2, I bought one. There's one left but his price almost doubled. I payed $30 in my offer. There are other sellers that have them too.

First just do the math after a few times it is pretty easy to determine the mah of each cell in the pack from the voltage and capacity.

I had three HP pack go bad on me so I opened them up and tested.

short story is I have too many cells anyone want 6 samsung icr 1865022e

is it worth paying the shipping to you?

Hi guys, i have a question:

I can’t wrap my head around this, i recently found an HP laptop battery and when i looked at the specs it said: 10.8v, 55wh, 4910mah. So i crack it open and find 6 samsung icr 18650 “28a” cells inside, googled and they are 2800mah cells, what i dont understand is how do 6 2800mah cells equal 4910mah?

These batteries actually are 4.3 volts instead of the usual 4.2.

Ah, now i understand, thanks!

Just wanted to add that the new-ish Dell 60Wh T54FJ packs also contain 4.35v cells. I just cracked open a few and found both LG orange C2 cells (LGABC21865) and Samsung lavender 28A cells (ICR18650-28A). Good stuff!

Hello Guys; you gave me an idea; if got an old Acer laptop; this one got a 10,8v 4400mAh battery-pack. See link of picture for detailed info.

http://s9.postimg.org/b9vvnb9zz/batteryacer.jpg

Maybe it is a smart idea to harvest the 18650 out of this pack. But maybe the Sanyo 18650 aren’t worth getting out of the pack. Hopefully someone can help me :smiley:

Well, my guess is that you’ll find 1500mah cells if there’s 9 of them, or 2200mah cells if there are 6. But the pack looks kinda old. I got 6 LGDB1 cells from an ancient (7 year old) pack, and the work just fine but lose their charge faster than my newer cells.

How about the other way around?
How does the protection/electronics in the notebook pack behave?
I mean, I have a big notebook, the working time on the pack is not very long.
I bet that is I open up the battery pack there is space.
Can I just put in high capacity cells to get longer runtimes? Go from 6 cell to 12 cells if spacepermists and from 2600 to 3400mAh?

@ Ansarogu; thanks for your answer. I will check the batterypack; my father has same the laptop with a non working screen. I can use his battery; i think it also in better condition.

I suppose it could be possible, maybe not the whole 6 to 12, simply because the battery pack usually don’t have “free” space. But i guess you could go for a replacement of the 6 cells for higher capacity ones. Just keep in mind the cost/performance/benefit of such a thing, not to mention the careful disassembly of delicate electronics etc.

I got 6 red batteries out of the acer laptop pack (2200mah). I testing now 4 in my Liitokala Lii-500.

How do you identify the right model Sanyo batteries ?
The battery got this serial number: first line; MCUA14 and the secondline: 064463 with an big B above the serial.

I made a picture of details: maybe someone can help me with this?

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I couldn’t find anything on google. I guess it’s time to put them through some testing!

Since you say the pack is rated at 2200mAh, then they are probably standard 3.7V Sanyo UR18650A / R1112 cells. However, most of the Sanyo pulls I have seen with the purple insulating ring have been the UR18650ZT cells, which are rated at 2800mAh. Strange.

There’s an older pink wrapper Sanyo cell with a purple top that was commonly used in laptop packs a few years back. I’m thinking it was a 2250mah cell and I sometimes found them in packs where I expected to see red top Sanyos (2200mah). Some info on older sanyo cells from Boaz here.