Lithium-ion battery safety 101

i don’t get it

Yes
Besides, reports of my clown related demise have been slightly exaggerated

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NICE translation! (well I am referring to the fact that there IS another translation made I cant read it lol)
This topic cold become a real life saver!

IMNERHO, Google Translate is one of the few Good Things Google provides. It’s not reliable on its own, though, so I always take the first translation, Copy it to the clipboard & start over translating it back into English (or whatever my first language happens to be). It sometimes takes a lot of work, but the end result is exactly what I first said in English. I do this out of respect for my non-English-speaking friends, but it seems Very Useful here too.
As you can see, they’re getting a little-bit better:

Dans ma même pas à distance humble avis, Google Translate est l’une des rares bonnes choses Google fournit. Il est pas fiable sur son propre, cependant, alors je prends toujours la première traduction, le copier dans le presse-papiers et recommencer le traduire vers l’anglais (ou quelle que soit ma première langue arrive à être). Il faut parfois beaucoup de travail, mais le résultat final est exactement ce que je a dit d’abord en anglais. Je le fais par respect pour mes amis non-anglophones, mais il semble très utile ici aussi.

Yes google translate is a very usefull tool!
my reason for hoping it gets translated in as many languages as possible is however so that native speakers who google for li ion safety in their own languages can find it (and then use google translate for the rest of BLF ;))

+1
“It is not safe to eat Lithium-Ion batteries.”

Fantastic post.

Also,

:smiley:

Not even with ketchup? It makes everything taste good :sunglasses:

Just kidding of course and you’d think it would go without saying until somebody does it and then cries “nobody warned me about that!” I hate whining :open_mouth:

I’d rather have it said, although something in me wants Darwin to fix that little problem instead- anyone who’d willingly ingest any cell or battery does not deserve to exist.

Phil

I was debating putting a ” :smiley: ” on that line……

I’d suggest deleting that particular item. By stating the obvious, it tends to cheapen the integrity of the lesson as a whole. Not to mention adding one more line to an already long message.

I lolled the first time when I read it, but then it hit me there are a lot of scenarios this could be useful (say a dog) to know to get proper help.

Good point.

If anything, further emphasis could be put on not ingesting lithium ion batteries with specific reference to children and pets.

What about LiFePO4? Should we have some info in the OP about that? It is a lot different chemistry, with a different nominal voltage as well as terminal charge voltage requirement. I know we don’t talk much about them here at BLF, because they’re not used in most of the flashlights we buy/build. But, maybe at least just the specifications and a few of the ways they are different from other Li-Ion cell chemistries should be noted somehow in the OP, so that Newbies can avoid confusion.

Most of the problems are with Lithium button batteries, but they do cause significant problems for children.

And just this past December: Toddler dies after eating lithium battery two days after Christmas | PIX11

Then perhaps the advisory message should specify button batteries. O:-)

Buttons are small easy to swallow
A big dog should have no problem with a 26650

Is this getting close to the “tutorial” area?

Perhaps if we specify which chemistry we are talking about in this thread and that there are other chemistries. When we talk about Lithium-Ion batteries what Chemistry are we talking about?

I see:

Chemistry Nominal Range
Lithium Cobalt Oxide(LiCoO2) 3.6V 3.0-4.2V
Lithium Manganese Oxide (LiMn2O4) 3.6V 3.0-4.2V
Lithium Nickel Manganese Cobalt Oxide (LiNiMnCoO2 or NMC) 3.6V 3.0-4.2V
Lithium Iron Phosphate(LiFePO4) 3.2V 2.5-3.65V
Lithium Nickel Cobalt Aluminum Oxide (LiNiCoAlO2) 3.6V 3.0-4.2V
Lithium Titanate (Li4Ti5O12) 2.4V 1.8-2.85V

Source: BU-205: Types of Lithium-ion - Battery University

As usual, mention the ‘L’ word & the conversation launches right off the rails.

Parents in this country, following the opinions of “Doctors”, put Lithium pills into their children, to get the brats to STFU. Maybe those reports were from people who saw a Youtube video & decided they were plenty smart enough to choose what was best for their own children & believed Lithium pills = Lithium batteries.

Yes, SawMaster, Darwin has a Theory about people like that!

Some of us have been around long enough to remember the hype and hysteria over SureFire, etc. and their dangerous expensive (there’s a nugget of Truth in every lie) camera batteries… Anyone actually have experience blowing up their pockets when loose change or car keys touched a CR123? Not experience watching a Youtube video, but actual real-life experience? Hmmm?

But we weren’t talking about Lithium batteries, were we?

We were talking about Lithium-ION batteries. Oh, well…

I’m on the fence about this. I hate stupid warnings, especially warnings that are there because of the lawyers, but if they help one person…

Perhaps adding comments about “button batteries” as suggested by 1dash1, and the links that describe the symptoms.

Side note:
I recently purchased peanut butter cookies. They had a “Warning: May contain nuts.” statement. The word may bothered me. If not nuts then what?