What is the brightest budget light?

This is far from the whole story. If I look around me, probably 80% of the manufactured items in this house, including the chair I am sitting on and the shoes I am wearing, were made in China. This is true for much of the planet. OK it may be Western firms that are creaming off all the profits - 500% markups appear to be the norm but who made them? One day the huge profit making stuff will also be done in China.

Except for the surgical tools that were all made in Pakistan. The expensive European branded ones are simply Pakistani ones with better chroming.

In the nineteenth century one of the bigger exports from the US to Europe (apart from raw materials where all the profit is in what is done with them) was affordable clocks. The clocks were made as cheaply as it is possible to make a clock mechanism but sold in huge amounts to European distributors who put the cheap and nasty mechanisms into cases and sold them at a huge markup. This is nothing new.

OK it may be Western firms that are creaming off all the profits - 500% markups appear to be the norm but who made them? One day the huge profit making stuff will also be done in China.

No, the story I tell is quite the whole one, especially for smaller podunk firms like the ones we deal with here. I talk about the mentality because I've seen and been told about it first hand by people who do business there. It's the disease which along with corruption is keeping the country down. It's small mindedness and greed: quick buck today at the expense of tomorrow is how people do business when they don't have proper business education/training.

There's a reason why the western firms are making all the money while the hard laborers in china make jack shit. One understands how to conduct big business properly and one doesn't. From the frustrations we deal with in our budget hobby, I think this should be quite clear.

For example, in business school, you're taught to market certain products in 3 tiers. For the same mass product with possible differentiators, you have the low end basic, often loss leader, model to bring in the customer's interest. Then you have the medium tier model which has all the standard features most people want for a reasonable increase, and that's what most people would buy because the former is purposely somewhat crippled. Finally what you need is the top deluxe version which is purposely not a good value, and while some people will always may more for the best model, the point is to help the majority of your customers justify and find the value in their purchase. Instead, you see from china dozens of complete randomly permutated models from the same make, even for the same kind of light.

Ultrafire needs to stick to one general purpose medium size (18650?) cree light, the "best" but distinguished design (eg 504b with a twist in style), with maybe the lowest bin and no modes for cheap light, a good bin with modes for the one everyone buys, and a quad-die or xp-g with programmable modes for best model, and make all 3 with consistent quality. If you need to introduce a new model, don't just throw it up on the DX site; you need to announce the new big thing (2011 models!) and even build up a sense of anticipation at regular intervals. Then people aren't confused which one to get and why does the one I get differ from what my friend got last week, etc. While we addicts will buy all the variants, most normal people won't and that's where the money is.

From DX's persepective, they need to apply this pressure to the supplier instead of getting dragged along by them, but of course they won't because they feel the few pennies they make selling a few extra models on their site to some small time third-world buyer is totally worth it. Narrow minded thinking is what limits their business, and ironically we see dozens of copy-cats of exactly what they do WRONG. They have absolutely no business discipline and that's why they'll easily get crushed by any western company if they ever find some market segment that's making real money.

Again, a lot of good business practice is counterintuitive to those without the education, and usually the ones we see are the overly greedy type (the ones who made the mistake of going the other way tend to get squeezed out by the time they get to us in the west). What I'm saying is more constructive criticism than bashing, but of course they don't listen because they're idiots so I guess it might as well be bashing.

I found it!

http://www.popbuying.com/detail.pb/sku.brightest_led_flashlight-%2021167#

Thanks for the laugh mate. Made my day.

adjective they use for LED lights is "superbright" in my eyes. They use it litterally for any crappy 5mm LED light. I hate it.

Well they are, as long as you are comparing them to 9 glow-worms shoved in the same housing. The glow worms where I used to live in Zambia looked just like low powered green LEDs in the dark. :)

It's the purple that makes it brightest. Sort of like red for cars.

Varapower 2000 has powerful light

I am selling the MTE 1,000 lumen M3-2I with the CREE XM-L diode that have been insanely bright! These are at www.mte-usa.com or www.gregmcgeeengineering.com . You can use the discount code "PRACTICAL" for 10% off bringing it to 80something dollars and add "upgrade me to priority shipping at no additional cost" to get priority at first class price.

Now...if you want budget, you can go buy an SST-50 diode and hack a $8 dollar walmart 6v camping lamp (they also have a 4 dollar version) with the big reflector, kluge it in there and make an 18650 battery pack to give the diode about 6 amps and you will have a 1200 lumen Frankenstein light... I got the diodes from Luminus as engineering samples but you budget guys can probably figure out where to buy them retail but you have to make sure they are real Luminus diodes. You guys want to see pictures of my half built kluge or wait till its done??? I have 3 18650 batteries in there in parallel now and I think that is sufficient... The short tests I have done indicate it will work. One problem is I haven't really heat sunk the diode and the Luminus, and most high powered LEDs, get dimmer as they get hotter so to keep it bright you need to keep it cool. That said, I have a peltier effect CPU cooler I was going to kluge into there as well. You can get the peltier plates off ebay for a buck (search on peltier plate) but have to thermally epoxy a heat sink (and a fan if you are daring) to the hot side of the peltier plate and control the current going into the plate. If you can keep the LED cool you can literally run the light on high mode for as long as the batteries have life...

If you guys want I'll try to glue the peltier plate in mine too or make a subsequent version...

So, even though I sell kick ass flashlights at www.gregmcgeeengineering.com I am still budget at heart...

If you are really daring you can try the sst-90 diode and more batteries.

I am not liable if anyone gets hurt trying to make this light, and it is for design discussion only, so if you try it at home you are doing so at your own risk. Always remember to use safety goggles if you dremel the reflector on the walmart light and use adequate ventilation with epoxies and adhesives.

Thanks,

Greg McGee

www.gregmcgeeengineering.com

www.mte-usa.com

It's sad that it is a little bit difficult to find budget lighting that actually works well. I mean, how much does it really cost to create lighting? Well, I could not answer that for sure. But it would be nice if somebody would start posting links to really good light models.

Well, this is a pretty old thread so there are tons of new lights out there and it sort of depends on what price you consider budget. The Jetbeam BC40 is a tad over $60, is rock solid and puts out 800 OTF lumens. My Xtar R01 only cost me $44 and puts out around 500 lumens OTF and seems built quite well. The Xeno E03 is only $30, is built incredibly solid and puts out around 450 lumens OTF on 14500. You can also buy one of the solarforce hosts and an XM-L drop-in for well under $40 to give you in the 500-600 lumen OTF range. These are among the most reliable of the more budget priced lights that give high output. There are other cheaper lights that are as bright or brighter but there is some question on how reliable or consistent they are from sample to sample.

Sure looks like this one takes the cake:

But I don't like the size or the styling personally. I would say that a good P60 host with the Manafont 3-mode XM-L dropin is the best for me. Some have measured close to 900 lumens with it!

For what purpose would you need such a light?

The OP was What is the brightest budget light? I don't think that meant a National Budget

That Xeccon is almost 200usd. Sorry but your posts are starting to get a little too spam'ish for my liking.

Spammish for sure. I am still a big fan of the XM-L diode. I know CREE is going to start putting out a more efficient diode at around 1200 lumens this year and I will have those in the same package. It is all about efficiency with diodes as the XM-L creates a ton of light but it also pulls about 3.1 amps or a little more to create the light. I think in the next 5 years we will see a 2000 lumen light at about 2.8 amps or less. I have a ton of HID lights including a 6000 lumen one but I'm not sure what it is good for since it is too friggin bright. Light is almost like sound and above a certain level there is a logarithmic diminishing return on investment.

Thanks,

Greg McGee

Those Ebay/Aliexpress alu HIDs are bright....a bit over-speced but still bright esp for the money. HID long/short arc + lanterns or modded with PAR56/64s or auto ballasts/bulbs are the only way to get crazy throw and/or lumens which sort of makes custom LED lights look pretty dim. Unless you stick 50-100 pieces of XM-L on it. Laughing

Yeah, the only reason I sell the HIDs is that if there is ever an issue with parts it is such a hassle dealing with China for replacements. I just buy 10 extra of all the parts and stick them in a box so that people can get fast free warranty replacement. China will want you to pay 50 dollars to ship a 50 dollar ballast/bulb (just guess price) and then take 10 days to get it to you, at a minimum. I just buy the extra parts in advance, just in case...then they will replenish the used parts with my following paid shipments. I still like the LED's best for size and weight.

I sawy a Duracell 170 lumen "daylight" light at Costco yesterday for 11.95, takes 2 d-cell batteries. I was truly excited, a true budget light! I got it home and barfed on it... It focused but the light color sucked and super "artifacty." My C3-907 is at least 50 lumens brighter. I'm taking it back today... They had some 3 sets of 150 lumen lights but they sucked as well so I took them back.

Thanks,

Greg

The Prices quite not budgetary.Or we again have a standard explanation that all other sites will sell the cheap forgeries?))

P.S This was an answer tank007 , but his message to disappear.I not powerfully distressed))

brightest current budget light? i'd say the sky ray 3800 for 52$ is probably the brightest out there for the price..

I am a big fan of wash lighting and I do like to get the led effect lights out if I can use smoke but I'm using discharge effect light.