Are the Trust flames from BuyinCoins legit? Will go with either BIC or Mana, but can get 10% off with BIC and wanna order a bunch of other stuff from them aswell!
Thanks!
Every battery ive brought from BuyinCoins has been fake i have brought some really bad peforming 18650,s and NIMH batteries from there, the 18650,s where recycled laptop batteries that took less then then 60% of the claimed mAh and the NIMH took less then 1/3 of the claimed mAh i have also got some dodgy deals on cheap torches from there aswell every deal sofar has been a waste of time trying to get some money back for the junk i was sent, just my experience.
The new trustfire flames got here yesterday 3.84v and 3.82v on opening the packet, discharged them to 3v and let the rest then charged at 0.5 amp the first one took just over 2500 mAh. The second one is charging now and when I get home from work I'll post up the data sheet's and the IR of the batteries, but sofar they are looking good and are performing well.
Are this trustfire of manafont or buyincoins?
I will not give buyincoins any more money all the batteries I've tested on this thread are from Manafont !
The ones I got from buyincoins all seem to work just as good as those from DX or Manafont.
Ilikeflasklights have you tested the mAh or it's a guess, cause the ones I've tested from there are under performers.
The new Trustfire Flames mAh test
Discharged to 3 volt and charged @ 0.5 amp
Cell A (Internal resistance 184 milliohms)
Cell B (i for got to save the data sheet) Internal resistance 175 milliohms
End voltage is a bit low as its sat on the charger all day waiting for me to come home from work, basicly these perform a bit better then my used and abused old trustfire flames that still perform well.
People will recomend other batteries or the same batteries from other sellers with out testing the mAh or with out even knowing if they are protected or not.
Ive tryed to be honest and show as much proof these take there claimed mAh and work well in multi cell lights but its up to you guys to make up your own mind with the infomation ive provided to try and help people out.....
More testing to come
No I don't have a charger that will test mah. I haven't noticed any of my Trustfire flames to be bad. They all seem to perform well in all my lights. I have bought them from 3 different places. I charge my batteries on mostly Xtar chargers and then check the voltage. Most will charge back to 4.13 volts.
well two of the places you mentioned DX and buyincoins i have tested bad TFF batteries, Manafont sofar for me in the only place ive tested good ones that test close to or above the claimed mAh even when used and i have mentioned there up sides, down sides and there IR, it's all here for you to see.
i too have used the same charger as you WP2 2 i brought it for my old man as a gift i tested it for 2 days straight before giving it to him, you can not realy tell a average cell from a good cell due to the way it charges ramping down and it will under charger all batteries (better then over charging).
ive see people recomend batteries on here and not even notice they are not protected or under perform, but i say buy what you can afford from where you want, just in my expernice i have had no luck with DX TFF and no luck at all with any type of battery and a couple of crapy torches from buyincoins.
since i have some very basic equipment to test the batteries i thought i would make a post about it as ive seen the TFF get a hammering latley and not just quess and say yeah they are good, i have spent well over 60 hours doing these test on this thread and if it helps one person to decide to buy or not to buy these batteries with the infomation on this thread its been worth it.
And you done a great job. I'm sure some of the ones I got may be in fact worse than some of the better ones. But all seem to perform well for runtimes in my lights I have put them in so far.
thanks for the kind words.
sofar these ones ive tested (new ones) are out performing the xtar,s and are on par with the solarforce V2 batteries for tail cap readings but cheaper 
i have some hi-max's, redilast and panisonic's coming for some more comparisons.
i will do some tail cap readings and some more comparisons soon as its hard to find the time right now flat out working 6 days a week and playing the family man and trying to keep up my hobbies im burnt out.
so this thread is not complete yet but i think ive tested enough TFF batteries for now.
Hey your welcome. That's good to hear. I know old4570 sings high praises for the Hi-Max 18650 2600MAH. That's why I have bought some. I got about 8 or 10 so far. I'm still buying them. I get them for $13.00 a pair.
I only got two hi-max,s in the mail to test first, ill test them as soon as they get here and post my results im hoping to get around 2400 mAh like most other reports, they cost me about $16 USD a pair shipped to Australia.
The redilast 2600 mAh should be here early next week, i didnt go with the 2900 or above as i thoguth they had more usible voltage to me, they where $34.50 USD a pair shipped to Australia, shipping from the USA to AU is slow.
I have got a pair of protected panisonic 3100 mAh coming but i dont think i will be able to use all the voltage with them since they have a 2.5v cut off so all the mAh will not be usible imo, but ill give them a go, they should be here in a couple of weeks, they cost me $30 USD a pair shipped to Australia.
The solaforce 2400 mAh V2's im charging now cost $16 a pair shipped to Australia im not to sure if i should make a seperate thread for the hi-max, solarforce, redilast and panisonic batteries ?
As the batteries get here i will compare tail cap readings with the trustfire flames ive been testing to complete the testing of the flames.
Shame a single slow dishcarge and slow charge takes around 11 + hours per battery 
i perfer to balance charger 6 batteries at a time, so i can perfectly charge 6 in the time it takes to charge one, this testing is sucking alot of time and my charger has been getting a good work out.
Tail Cap Current Draw Comparisons
Test 1 Ultrafire Cree T6 3-Mode Memory LED Drop-in Module
solarforce 2400 mAh (A) 1.67 amps
solarforce 2400 mAh (B) 1.67 amps
Ultrafire (grey) 2400 mAh (A) 1.23 amps (from buyincoins they only take 900 mAh)
Ultrafire (grey) 2400 mAh (B) 0.7 amps (from buyincoins they only take 900 mAh)
Trustfire Flames 2400 mAh (A) 1.51 amps
Trustfire Flames 2400 mAh (B) 1.50 amps
Redilast 2600 mAh (A) 1.70 amps
Redilast 2600 mAh (B) 1.71 amps
Hi-max 2600 mAh (A) 1.44 amps
Hi-max 2600 mAh (B) 1.45 amps
Panasonic NCR18650A (A) 1.69 amps
Panasonic NCR18650A (A) 1.72 amps
Test 2 TrustFire TR-3T6 Triple XM-L T6 5-Modes Memory LED Flashlight (3x18650)
tested with 2 x 18650,s
solarforce 2400 mAh 2.46 amps
Trustfire Flames 2400 mAh 2.51 amps
Ultrafire (grey) 2400 mAh 0.00 amps as they just tripped on high.
Redilast 2600 mAh 2.5 amps
Hi-max 2600 mAh 2.51 amps
Panasonic NCR18650A 2.38 amps
Test 3 TR-1200
tested with 2 x 18650,s
solarforce 2400 mAh 1.66 amps
Trustfire Flames 2400 mAh 1.72 amps
Ultrafire (grey) 2400 mAh (A) 0.00 amps as they just tripped on high
Redilast 2600 mAh 1.74 amps
Hi-max 2600 mAh 1.81 amps
Panasonic NCR18650A 1.61 amps
I can not recommend the ultrafire grey's from buyincoins as only 2 out of 4 worked they only take around 900 mAh, one was reading 1 volt when put under load and with the plastic cover removed they looked like they had spot weld marks on them so i asume they are recycled laptop batteries.
So i give the flames the thumb up sofar for best bang for buck and it looks like my drop-in,s and my C8 are under driven even though the Trustfire C8 has the same driver as the KD C8 from the factory.
I will update the current draw tests and the new batteries ive ordered come in and i will swap a driver out for some thing with some more grunt to do some higher amp testing, hope this helps.
I think you really need some different leads for your DMM (or a different DMM). No way all three have that low of a draw. Those p60s should definitely be 3A+.
The current draw was check with two DMM's a Fluke and a cheapie they both are with in 0.01 of each other, i do not believe in changing DMM leads to give fase high readings (just my opinion).
The trustfire C8 has a 2 amp driver in it the same as the KD C8 and ive just swaped the driver in the Trustfire C8 to another 2 amp driver and im getting 1.97 amp,s at the tail cap 
every thing else test out on par.
The drop-ins and the C8 (before driver change) are putting out around 500 OTF lumens there is not 3 + amps hiding in there drivers, they are under driven and if you check early pictures of the P60 drop-ins the drivers have changed.
Im still buying more of these drop-ins as they have a nice tint and only 3 modes (H,M,L) 1.5 amps is enough there is not much more throw if you double the amps just a brighter hot spot IMO and the drop-ins get way to bloody hot running 3 amps or more as at 1.5 amps they get hot enough.
The drivers have to be faulty and going into direct drive to get more then 3 amps IMO from 3 amps to 5 amps an XM-L does not make much more light at all it just makes a lot more heat.
I have rechecked the internal resistance of new Trustfire flames i tested in post number 75 of this thread on another battery holder from post number 11 on this thread without the rare earth magnets and im getting aprox 50 milliohms less.
So i think i was right the rare earth magnets are giving me higher internal resistance readings, you could say some/most of my readings are 20 to 80 milliohms higher then the tested batteries realy are.
Also the IC,s (pcb protection) have a TR part number on them, like some of the trustfire drivers and torches.
As an example of the diffrence in milliohms, i tested my new solarforce 2400 mAh batteries with the rare earth magnets on the set up i posted on post number 67 my solarforce batteries read 140 to 160 milliohms but if i use the battery holder from post number 11 on this thread i get readings a hair under 100 milliohms.
I thought i would mention this as so people could take this into account and the lower the internal resistance the better, it makes the Trustfire flames batteries look even better.
Re-tested of the internal resistance of the new trustfire flames from post # 75
Cell A 137 milliohms
Cell B 112 milliohms
for all other internal resistance test i will use the battery holder from post number 11 ok.
Picked-up 4 TF 2400 mah protected from DD for just over 14 bucks delivered, with xmas discount.
Going to give them/charger/FryRay 818 to my elderly dad for the holidays.
Hope they are up to the task. The 818 pulls just over 1.75 amps on high, so it is one neutered, purple output fuster-cluck from MF. Luckily, the low output will work in the batteries' favor. He should be thrilled with the light.
I ordered a TF-1200 Q5X5, to replace it.
I hope it fares better than the FryRay junk I've purchased from MF!
r1derbiker have you not read all the crap about DD with there fake flames and sending out unportected batteries when you order protected ? not all flames are equal here is the linik for you.
https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/4453
Why do you think i bothered with this thread, there is to many fake or junk flames being sold giving the good ones a bad rep. Some times cheaper is not always better.
The genuine TR-1200 is a great light but there is some fakes been offered cheap that are unregulated and have plastic lens with only 2 x 18650 battery tubes.
The geniune TR-3T6 is a much better light then the Fry ray 818