Cree changed production process for XP-G2 emitters!

RMM does use LED Seal, maybe that makes a difference as to why his aren’t green?

Exactly…

He used some kind of lacquer on emitter surface… I will tell to RMM that I also know how to do that but that is not real test…

Real test is pure de domed emitter and not lacquered one. Why?

Cause lacquer changes tint to cooler one

Vinz did that long time ago with “diamond treating” method

So look how 2 same emitters behave when one is “diamond treated” :slight_smile:

And even that won’t change anything! Emitter (XP-G2 S4 2B) will still have significantly les lux performance.

RMM didn’t mention anything about lux, except to say that if the lumens are the same then the lux will be lower because he confirmed the die is bigger. You can’t find issue with a claim he didn’t even try to make.

He was addressing Vf and tint shift (not lux specifically), and you still wrote off his findings.

If dislike the tint so much, use LED seal to fix it. Then find some other solution to your lux problems.

Are you RMM’s lawyer?

His findings are already tested by Djozz (did you even read this thread? ),

So if he entered the thread claiming that there is no tint shift to green one although 20 of us had this issue then I have every right to suspect cause I did test with 20 of them in 2 different hosts. What test can be better than mine test? Tell me…

And I told him that he uses lacquer and that he has tint shift.

So RMM if you are looking this do test without lacquer and then you’ll see that LI is right. Angry Hulk will strike… I assure you.

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Pilotdog…

My lux problems? We will all have damn lux problems. Don’t address this as exclusively mine problem cause tomorrow you’ll have same problem.

RMM is a lawyer, so he wouldn’t need me anyways. Don’t be ridiculous. I’m just getting tired of the off-base arguments in this thread.

So you agree that the sealant RMM used solved the tint issue for him? Great, then maybe you should also use the sealant to solve the tint issue.

I am trying to help resolve some of your problems, instead of just complaining about a situation you don’t, and won’t ever have control of.

I know the lux dropped, it sucks, but I can’t do anything about how cree changes things, so I’m moving on.

But you guys should direct arguments towards Cree and not toward me.

This whole thing is proven fact.

There is no help or cure for this… Only new emitters or old stock XP-G2 S4 2B one.

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But we can if we all hold together and if someone(owner or co owner of this forum) writes a note to Cree with reference to this thread.

They are familiar with old production process of G2 emitters so they really can make things better for us.

And THIS attitude is really your biggest roadblock right now. When you think your only hope is to go back to something that no longer exists, then you become utterly hopeless. Change your thinking. Start looking for a way forward, because none of us can make Cree change anything. They have done what they did because it was an improvement by their standards. Start looking at other emitters and other processes and try to figure out how to flow with technology changes instead of against. Companies that try to flow against market changes usually don’t survive long. People who resist change become bitter and useless as the whole world passes them by.

Cree didn’t make a change for no reason, there must have been a very good business reason for the change. As such, the threat of losing a few thousand dollars total from this forum in the next couple of years will make no difference to them, no matter how many people on this little forum complain about it.

I’ve said all I can say about it, as have others. If you want to keep hoping for change from Cree, go for it. The only way I can see it changing is if the difference was just a manufacturing error that didn’t get caught in QC and future batches (if they continue the 2 now that 3 is here) will be back to the old way. So you can hope for that.

Ok,

Cree made really good thing by changing production process for XP-G2 emitters

Actually from their point of view I’m sure they did. Without a doubt it wasn’t something they did lightly. The impact of blf users doesn’t even rise to the background noise level for them.

Hello

I just happened the same :rage: the same leds of the same store (IO)
After dedome turned very very warm tone :confounded: naked eye the phosfor also change to a very yellow tone, low kcds, and low Amp :person_facepalming:

Perhaps I pull my money?

It isn’t Hank’s (IO) fault , as the title says “Cree changed production….” .
I don’t say these new xp-g2’s are good , but pulling your money will only cause Hank to pay them from his wallet .

Gaston,

I had same situation.

I was very angry and I did contact Hank explaining him the problem…

Hank is really not fault but he could reply in this thread and offer his advice or opinion.

And as plenty of guys here stated (please read posts on page before this one) Cree only wants all the best for their costumers so we must withstand everything they throw at us cause Budget Light Forum is to small community, and Cree does not care for us.

I accepted that and now i feel great. :beer:

I am currently quit with modding… I am waiting for emitter that is worthy replacement of good old XP-G2 S4 2B (R.I.P.) and hopefully I’ll start with modding again.

luminarium iaculator

Cutter samples are on its way to me, keep your fingers crossed

Ok Mitko,

Mitko , any clue if the emitters(in triples) from kaidomain are the “old” batch ?

I think that Cree is adapting to what the other manufacturers have been doing for years, improving the output spectrum of their leds. The competition has come close in output and toughness, so the only option is getting the light quality in order.

What did you buy all those for? Are you selling them? I’d say go ahead and offer them for sale and just tell your customers that Cree made a change to the emitter. Some people won’t buy because of it, but some still will. Let them choose. Luminarium is making the choice on behalf of his customers, but you don’t have to do that. Customers can make a choice for themselves.

Hello

I do not understand the reason for your question ¿? I respond equally…… the leds are for my mods, and for mods to customers I do some mods to order here in my country (I am responsible for every work I do)

Yes… Right selection of emitter(sometimes there are crab emitters even in same batch of lets say old xp g2), methods and components to make much different and better flashlight than factory one…

Type of clients: “Seeing what I am buying”. If someone brings 250kcd Olight they expect that your modded flashlight will visually out throw it.

I’ve been very successful in beating such configurations but now there is no point… I am beaten…

We’ll just have to wait for better days…

And new production process seems to affect all types of emitters. Not just XP-G2.