flat earth people

Butter! :smiley:

I couldn’t resist. I created a user named fes101 and asked them a few questions. Aparentally the underside is “dark energy” heating the planet and accelerating it through space. Their whole ‘flat-earth’ theory comes from the observation the earth ‘feels’ flat. But they use ‘dark-energy’ to support the theory?! Nobody has felt that. WOW.

Here’s my 2 posts over on their website:

Geo-thermal heat?

Why is Earth the only flat planet?

I see how they think, now I am abandoning the account.

In reference to the jumping off a high dive thing, and I apologise if this has been said here already. If something is “suspended” where it is until the earth “catches up” and nothing actually falls, then why the hell isn’t the earth catching up at the speed it’s flying through space ???

It’s travelling at 66,487 mph - yet if I jump out of a plane @ 36,000ft, I can dam well assure you I’m not plowing in to the planet a very small fraction of a second later.
Of course things fall towards the planet. Not the other way around.

Yep, and so is your plane.

It’s one of the things about General Relativity I never figured out - why do free floating objects eventually free float towards the center of a mass. The theory says that a free floating person does not feel any acceleration while he’s falling towards the planet. He feels exactly the same as he would floating in deep outer space - he’s in a frame of reference that has no acceleration.

So why does the floating person fall towards the planet? Why isn’t it actually suspended at one point in space?

It must have something to do with the curvature of spacetime. Even light itself bends towards a planet when it gets near a planet. Light does not bend, but always go straight, which means that space itself must be bent. Somehow, that bent space is what causes a free floating object to naturally and float towards the center of the planet…? I mean, that bent space is already causing light to bend towards the planet when the light beam whizzes by.

If we’re sitting in a chair, and we’re in an accelerating frame of reference, what are we accelerating against and why aren’t we going anywhere? I guess we’re accelerating against the curvature of space…?

That’s as far as I’ve figured out.

That all sounds right to me, and gravity’s mechanism is a hell of a curiosity.

And while we are on the topic, I have a beef with modern science. This explanation of how gravity works pisses me off. It uses gravity to explain gravity!

I’m glad you said that, because it validates my point.

Now depending on where that plane is, it cannot always be flying over the leading part of the earth. I.E. the side of earth facing the direction of the planets travel through space.
If I jump out of that plane on the opposite side - the trailing side of the planet, according to some, the PLANE should ‘catch up’ to me, not the earth.
I hope that makes sense.

A better image about the bent geometry of space might be something like this:

Nope, people get the notion that objects in motion need an engine to prevent them from stopping. When in fact “an object in motion stays in motion”. So when you separate yourself from the plane, you keep all your motion. Plus the soon to come acceleration toward earth.

I admit that feels better, but it’s just a 3D version of the original. I prefer to think of gravity as a second form of magnetism. That seems like a far better explanation.

Yea, amazing.

Exactly my point - you said it yourself ; “Plus the soon to come acceleration toward earth”

I’ve been refuting all along the notion that the earth catches up to an object. The plane, the earth and the jumper are all of course moving through space, but according to some, if I jump from any height, I “wait” for the earth to hit me.
That is simply bollocks. It doesn’t hit me at 66,000mph. I hit it at my terminal velocity.

Yea you and earth are like two magnets coming together. Except you are so tiny your effect on earth isn’t even worth mentioning. You accelerate toward earth. However you don’t feel the acceleration, you feel weightless. Which is counter-intuitive because of the wording. Let’s change the wording. Let’s call our weight our ‘smash’ because we are being smashed against earth daily. Now when we fall, we can say we feel smash-less. At least during free-fall :slight_smile:

Very much so. One could argue acceleration is only relative. Which I guess it is. You only accelerate if something else is going slower than you. A number of posts ago someone mentioned being able to feel acceleration in a vehicle, but not in a free fall.
I would say that’s only because until both you and the accelerating object match velocity, you are feeling the differential in acceleration between you and the vehicle.

That’s what a skydiver feels, the differential between the air velocity and his / hers. Other wise known as friction.

We don’t feel velocity, speed.
We do feel acceleration, changes in speed. And it feels the same as gravity.

I would agree that we can feel changes in speed, which is acceleration.

Are you sure you can feel the acceleration of gravity? If you jump out of an airplane, you’re “accelerating” towards the ground. But if you close your eyes and if you ignore air resistance, can you feel yourself accelerating towards the ground?

I would say no. You’re velocity continually increases the moment you jump out of the plane, yet you feel weightless the entire time. How is that possible?

Yea, I’m pretty sure we can feel acceleration. My buddy Albert even thinks so.

Well, I don’t know about you, but I might have some difficulty tuning out everything, adrenaline, air rushing around me, while hurtling toward earth.

It seems that acceleration peaks at 7m/s2 and you hit terminal velocity within the first 10sec. https://youtu.be/7qgD-MgeGDs?t=2m3s Maybe it’s just not enough to feel and/or too brief while distracted by air rushing around you and everything else.

The Beagle landed safely and it is doing it's job as intended. The whole idea of the crash landing was part of the project. The British, as they have done in the past on Earth, are trying to take over Mars as one of their colonies, before any other nation can claim it. The Beagle is simply a radio transmitter being used to brainwash the Martians by playing nothing but Beatles music over and over, with subliminal messages that all Martians are and always have been British citizens and now is the time for them to remember the British heritage they lost when they first crash landed on Mars. The Beagle got it's name for the mission, from a parody of the Beatles Abby Road album, where four Beagles are walking the crosswalk instead of the Beatles. It was thought that no one would ever catch the subtlety, but it wasn't lost on all of us who monitor the subversive British activity on Earth, and now, unfortunately in space.

British Guys N Gals, please don't take slight at my comments. I am just joking. It's just in fun and in keeping with the craziness of this thread. Some of us are not really watching you all the time.