Dear,
We did not sell Z1 hosts to any dealer. There are many reasons:
1st,the parts of a set of host are hard to package well,we warry about parts would be damaged,polluted,or less during the shipment.
2nd,we are brand flashlight supplier of ourself brand,we have not too much production ability for host parts,even selling host can earn money too.
3rd,we have our quality control system that make we trust the quality of our product. in another word, we know our flashlights than anyone else.We do not to see there are kinds of false problems on a flashlights with a Jaxman logo.
while,if a BLFer ask us for a host,we oftentimes will like to sell one.For the personal fans and the commercial dealing are not the same thing.
As the original designer and producer，we accept customize orders of course.But that not means, we would like to see a 100% outlook to our brand, while it is branded COMETA…….
Even we provide hosts to our dealer, the host is still Jaxman.
Anyway, copy is copy. We have not too much time to deal with such things.
I am moderator on CPF Italia and I have closed the cometa thread, because we are waiting updates from BangGood, and users keept asking the same qestions: Is there an update? When is the Europa coupon ready? When are they updating us… And so on.
When there are no official announcments from the relevant parts, it’s not useful a 91 page thread that every day gets 2 more pages of irrelevant questions.
We would like to optimize our product with users’s participation.
The reason why we insist on a standard configuration of mass production of Jaxman flashlight is: that configuration may be not the highest, while it must be proper and mature. As the commercial supplier, we must take care of items as below:
1,SAFE. safe is the first should be face.
2,PRACTICE. as a tool, a flashlight must has a equality of many items.
3,QUALITY OF LONG TERM.we are not a personal shop,today we sell flashlights,tomrrow we shut off.we should make Jaxman products to be famous in this field.
So, for example,what is the advantage of a Z1 with CREE XPL HI? we know the XPL HI lamps give us a less lumens compared with XML2 lamps. HI has a smaller core,so it can give a better spot with a reflector bowls flashlight.While in a lenses flashlight as Z1, the less lumens and the strange core of lamps,will decrease the performance of the Z1.the best lamp for Z1 is still XML (2),or even XPG (2).
I think any one that reads this will understand that you jaxman had nothing to do with the Cometa which we can understand you do not want to tarnish your company image. I will add that to my review of Cometa.
sorry for use of your picture long time.I must apologize first to you.
The thing is: you know,there is very hard net block in China.I have search our product on internet. when I search Jaxman z1, the screen give me scattered results. the BLF website can not be visited smoothly either.I get your the picture only…
At that time,I need some pictures to construct our website.I find your picture which was saved in my computer many days ago. In fact I did not know anything except that it is a picture of Z1(after modified). I did not know it is one of your photos,
or it was edited in BLF topic…all information is scattered.
And I make sure that I remarked the picture with “modified by USA fans” in Chinese.at all, the main visitor is Chinese…Because of the modify,so we never use the picture in the Z1 page as details of the product. We also worry about it would make a mistake for buyer.
Anyway, we used your picture without permit.I am glad you contact me,otherwise we never know who is the photographer.I will alternate that picture soon,and I would give you a 50% off of z1.
To the crew a few comments up debating about who to blame and basically coming up empty, I don’t understand that.
Clearly Jaxman isn’t to blame. They literally had nothing to do with it and seems to have known nothing about it.
I don’t think you can blame the organizers, although maybe there should have been more oversight and less trust. That’s understandable though.
I’m not sure on Manker. You’d think that if they were so good at building flashlights, and some of their stuff is really good, they would have realized how dangerous banggood’s design was and spoken up. But if they’re just supplying what was ordered, built to the customer’s specs, I guess that’s all you can really require.
That only leaves Banggood, and I have no problem at all assigning blame for this mess to banggood. The Cometa organizers seem to have been under the impression that they were getting a real Jaxman host, so either they’re lying or banggood deceived them from the beginning. Plus Manker has stated here in this thread that they built the light to banggood’s specs. So it sounds like banggood was playing both ends — misleading the Cometa development crew while simultaneously getting Manker to build them a dirt cheap host. The idea that they’re somehow not to blame because “its just business” doesn’t work for me.
But explain that
the organisers soldered on 20AWG wires for review on the final sample
the organisers had a Jaxman Z1 at hand and it was not compared to the Cometa
the organisers did promised a review sample for BLF yet this never came
I can accept an explanation that all parties involved thought another party had thought things through.
Or state is positive,
Manker trusted BG and CPF Italia to give proper design
BG trusted CPF Italia and Manker to provide feedback on specs and build issues
CPF Italia trusted Manker and BG to make initial specced light even though they OKed a sample with faults
All I have to say is, that I’m glad that’s one of the few community sourced lights I didn’t own. Looks like there’s a lot of problems, and it seems not worth the effort. Plus my modded Brinyte B158 is a great light with close to the same output.
^This
That is why I did not get the Cometa, thank goodness.
Between the Great quality of the Brinyte and the easy upgrade with the BLF A6 driver and the XP-L Hi the thing will do everything that the Cometa will, minus the 26650 capability.
How many of us really use these things for an extended period of time anyway?
Also the Uniquefire 1504 can be modded to blow away pretty much anything in it’s size.
Bottom line, We don’t need any more Zoomies.
It’s all been done now.
Not me man. I just saw this light, and was thinking… I already have a light that does basically what this one does. That’s not to say I don’t have a lot of redundant lights… but there wasn’t any particular thing about this light that was great. Maybe it’s that I only really need one or two good aspherhics and I’m set.
All the commotion made me look at Jaxman lights, I am going to be getting an X1 as soon as I can afford to.
I don’t like zoomies, just not my thing, so I passed earlier based on that alone. I did fall to peer pressure and bought a Jax X6 Hunter and have been very impressed with it’s build quality and finish. I stuffed an MT-G2 in mine, like it a lot!
So, Jaxman, I posted to let you know that I, for one, really do appreciate your efforts and will be buying more of your lights. Thank you.
It sounds like the Cometa was produced without Jaxman’s authorization and it appears to be a copy of the Jaxman light. So much so that there may be consumer confusion. People may think that Jaxman is involved in producing parts of this light.
That said, most people who bought the Cometa are flashlight enthusiasts here or on CPF. These purchasers are highly knowledgeable and are are not the typical flashlight consumer. Essentially those who bought the Cometa did so expecting to get a customized, or “modded” light. There may be less risk of confusion than among less knowledgeable consumers. Though there is still a risk if someone who is not so knowledgeable sees a Cometa in someone else’s hands and thinks Jaxman produced it.
Is the Cometa an unlicensed knockoff? Probably. It would have been better to obtain Jaxman’s permission to use their design or parts before making the Cometa.
Alternatively, this problem could have been avoided simply by making the exterior design of the light unique. Rather than making the outside of the body and head look exactly the same as the Jax Z1, Manker should have made stylistic changes to insure a unique-looking light. If it looked different enough, there is much less risk of consumer confusion.
It does not mean it’s a Colt, but if a Colt component was used, the Colt reliability is still assumed, because of the Colt brand name, although here, these were unbranded parts, which means that they were not really “repair parts”, as repair bodies would already have the Logo on them. I still stand by what I said. Jaxman is simply trying to keep from having any responsibility or involvement and that is fine, but at the time, it could even be that a person working for Jaxman could have sold unmarked bodies, heads, etc., to Banggood for a cut rate price, just to have a sale and Jaxman has since seen that has happened. Doesn’t really matter, as Banggood is still the culprit, just as they have in most all their other sales. All of the major sellers we have seen, will whore themselves for a sale and safety is not the #1 concern. I am sure they had hoped it would have gone better, but dollars are the only thing that makes a sale, for a seller, not quality.
So feel free to use the beamshot. But i already own a really nice Z1 so i would prefer a discount on the X1 instead :heart_eyes: