A statment:the COMETA flashlight is not a Jaxman product

The_Miller · May 30, 2016, 8:12pm

Budda:

The Miller:

And if memory serves me even the organisers said “based on” and the lack of response now, the closing of the topic on CPF Italia and no attempt to show the Cometa Lego with Jaxman gives me the strong feeling organisers are and were well aware of differences.

I am moderator on CPF Italia and I have closed the cometa thread, because we are waiting updates from BangGood, and users keept asking the same qestions: Is there an update? When is the Europa coupon ready? When are they updating us… And so on.
When there are no official announcments from the relevant parts, it’s not useful a 91 page thread that every day gets 2 more pages of irrelevant questions.

We were contacted by a BLF member, I explained publically the situation.
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As far as I know, there are no relevant updates from the situation stated in my post.

Thanks for your responses and troubles here.

I hope Cyberscudo will add something to the discussion at last!

hank · May 30, 2016, 9:21pm

Just for the record, can Jaxman confirm that this is their product?

And, looking back, here’s the early mention of “JAX Z1” (including many pictures)

AGGIORNATA RECENSIONE JAX Z1 CPFItalia Prototipo v1 • Cpfitalia …
http://www.cpfitaliaforum.it/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=11027
Sep 2, 2015 - 1 post - ‎1 author
Al fine di rendere la torcia del forum più performante è stata decisa …. Vi presento il prototipo pre-vendita della Jax Z1 scelta quest’anno come “Torcia del Forum”

saypat · May 30, 2016, 9:17pm

a bit confused here. There is Jax, and Jaxman? Two different companies? Is there a company called Jax? Do they have a website? Everyone seems to LOVE their lights/quality.

bella-headlight · May 30, 2016, 9:25pm

They are the same company, Jaxman used to be called Jax.

hank · May 30, 2016, 9:27pm

Saypat, for disambiguation — see the first post on the first page:

wonwuster · May 30, 2016, 9:27pm

Hello Guys, i’m Wonwuster one of the admins on CPFItalia.
As Budda said, we are waiting for some news about the COMETA from Banggood. None of us in CPFItalia have more news than the ones that we already know.

I personally wrote three email to Neal, asking informations about the project and other news of the troubles that all of us know very well, but none of the email sent was replied.

I kindly ask patience about this project because we are all in the same boat, and when Cyberscudo will have some updates or i will be able to have some news from Neal, i will write on CPFItalia and here on BLF for sure.

Regards.

IamMatt · May 30, 2016, 9:48pm

At least they didn’t change it to Jaxfire.

Andrew2007 · May 30, 2016, 10:18pm

That is bad, very bad. :person_facepalming:

If you’re asking for everyone to be patient, does that mean that progress is being made in resolving this debacle?

hank · May 30, 2016, 10:19pm

Worth remembering:

wonwuster · May 30, 2016, 10:29pm

Unfortunately I cannot surely answer because, as I said in my last message, I have no more news than the ones that all we already know. I hope that this project will be achieved in the way that we planned time ago.

myhken · May 30, 2016, 10:31pm

Is this unsafe, “fake”, not working 100% light a reason to do a paypal claim? Clearly Neal from BG has no replies to anybody, and like others GBs with Manker/Banggood all just run out in the sea, and we are stuck with the product.

What will others do? Keep the light or ask for a refund? And they that keep the light, are you handy man/woman that can solder and fix anything?

Muto · May 30, 2016, 11:13pm

Andrew2007:

JeffN:

Andrew2007:

Muto:

Also the Uniquefire 1504 can be modded to blow away pretty much anything in it’s size.

Bottom line, We don’t need any more Zoomies.
It’s all been done now.

Nah, nonsense.

I’ve recently purchased the Uniquefire 1405 and the Jax Z1, the Jax is far better and they’re numerous things I don’t like on the Uniquefire.

Wondering if there’s an apples vs oranges comparison here. The Uniquefire 1504 has similarities to the 1405, but a different form factor. I believe the 1504, while larger in all dimensions to the Cometa, is the more appropriate comparison. I say that with a 1504 sitting next to a Cometa on my desk (both next to my favorite zoomie, a modded Uniquefire 1503, which is very close dimension-wise to the Cometa), Don’t have the 1405 or Z1 to compare.

I’m just saying that the Jax Z1 which the Cometa should’ve been is superior to the UltraFire, it is like comparing apples to oranges as they’re not in the same price range but Muto made the comparison.

The only real difference between the 1504 and 1405 is the length of the tube for the extra battery.

Muto is effectively saying we didn’t need the Cometa and we don’t need any more zoomies, but if the Cometa was indeed the modded Jax Z1 it would’ve been superior to the Brintye which he mentions and the Uniquefire.

I also have a Brintye B158.

I do not have the Jax Z1 so you have me at a dis-advantage there. I am sure it is a nice light.
What I do have is a Kloepper Knife Works modded Uniquefire 1504 that puts out 429k and has a lighted tailcap (Worth every penny)
It cost just over $100 and with that output, I am saying “I don’t need any more Zoomies” so please forgive me for using the phrase “we don’t need any more zoomies”
Now if you can tell me how to get the Cometa to 429k for $100 I am all ears. They advertise the group buy one at 198k and some members have gotten over 205k but that is still half of the modded Uniquefire 1504.

I spent that amount of money to stop the purchasing of flashlights that do the same job but only slightly better.
Multiple purchases quickly add up over the $100 threshold.
It’s like you when get used to driving a car with 300hp and it seems fine, but when you get the 500hp one, suddenly there is no going back.

I also erred in saying the 1504 doesn’t take the 26650, sorry, just have too many zoomies I guess
It’s all good.
Thanks
Keith

KawiBoy1428 · May 30, 2016, 11:21pm

Muto:

Andrew2007:

JeffN:

Andrew2007:

Muto:

Also the Uniquefire 1504 can be modded to blow away pretty much anything in it’s size.

Bottom line, We don’t need any more Zoomies.
It’s all been done now.

Nah, nonsense.

I’ve recently purchased the Uniquefire 1405 and the Jax Z1, the Jax is far better and they’re numerous things I don’t like on the Uniquefire.

Wondering if there’s an apples vs oranges comparison here. The Uniquefire 1504 has similarities to the 1405, but a different form factor. I believe the 1504, while larger in all dimensions to the Cometa, is the more appropriate comparison. I say that with a 1504 sitting next to a Cometa on my desk (both next to my favorite zoomie, a modded Uniquefire 1503, which is very close dimension-wise to the Cometa), Don’t have the 1405 or Z1 to compare.

I’m just saying that the Jax Z1 which the Cometa should’ve been is superior to the UltraFire, it is like comparing apples to oranges as they’re not in the same price range but Muto made the comparison.

The only real difference between the 1504 and 1405 is the length of the tube for the extra battery.

Muto is effectively saying we didn’t need the Cometa and we don’t need any more zoomies, but if the Cometa was indeed the modded Jax Z1 it would’ve been superior to the Brintye which he mentions and the Uniquefire.

I also have a Brintye B158.

I do not have the Jax Z1 so you have me at a dis-advantage there. I am sure it is a nice light.
What I do have is a Kloepper Knife Works modded Uniquefire 1504 that puts out 429k and has a lighted tailcap (Worth every penny)
It cost just over $100 and with that output, I am saying “I don’t need any more Zoomies” so please forgive me for using the phrase “we don’t need any more zoomies”
Now if you can tell me how to get the Cometa to 429k for $100 I am all ears. They advertise the group buy one at 198k and some members have gotten over 205k but that is still half of the modded Uniquefire 1504.

I spent that amount of money to stop the purchasing of flashlights that do the same job but only slightly better.
Multiple purchases quickly add up over the $100 threshold.
It’s like you when get used to driving a car with 300hp and it seems fine, but when you get the 500hp one, suddenly there is no going back.

I also erred in saying the 1504 doesn’t take the 26650, sorry, just have too many zoomies I guess
It’s all good.
Thanks
Keith

Wow 429kcd is that with a Xp-G2?

Old-Lumens · May 30, 2016, 11:34pm

Sharpie:

Old-Lumens:

SIGShooter:

Old-Lumens:

everydaysurvivalgear:

Does any one know who made the Cometa?

The seller of COMETA, Banggood, is one of our dealer, and they also sell Z1 flashlights. While,we did not manufacture for Banggood OEM flashlight at all. In months ago,they had purchased about 100 pcs Z1 ar+af lenses for aftersale service,so I find now it was prepared for the COMETA.

Yes, they are Jaxman made lights, bought as service parts and used by BG, to make a special run of lights. It is something that many resellers have done over the years with most all the generic manufacturers. Nothing new here. Jaxman does not want liability is all. It is still their bodies, heads, tail caps, etc. Other components were made for BG by other manufacturers and it was all lumped together to make the run.

Remember it's kind of like the wild west here and resellers want money, just like anyone else. Everyone probably felt it was perfectly legal, but ethics are a much broader and more grey area here.

Those special lights were probably less costly than actually making a special run, as service parts are usually bought from a Mfg., (like Jaxman), at a reduced rate.

In the race to make all these special lights, the people organizing have to really become the ones to double check everything and not allow for unscrupulous practices. You absolutely have to know your reseller, your manufacturer, your component manufacturers, etc. It all has to be overseen by someone at the top and checked and rechecked. Even then it can fall apart, as it often does.

I have not read much on the whole Cometa thing, but it seems like it was basically too much initial trust put into the people putting the light together, buy the people signing off on it.

I don’t think it’s accurate to say they are Jaxman made lights. Buying a few parts from Jaxman to assemble lights (as Banggood admits in another post) doesn’t make it a Jaxman light any more than me buying a barrel bushing and barrel from Colt makes what I’m selling a Colt 1911.

It does not mean it’s a Colt, but if a Colt component was used, the Colt reliability is still assumed, because of the Colt brand name, although here, these were unbranded parts, which means that they were not really “repair parts”, as repair bodies would already have the Logo on them. I still stand by what I said. Jaxman is simply trying to keep from having any responsibility or involvement and that is fine, but at the time, it could even be that a person working for Jaxman could have sold unmarked bodies, heads, etc., to Banggood for a cut rate price, just to have a sale and Jaxman has since seen that has happened. Doesn’t really matter, as Banggood is still the culprit, just as they have in most all their other sales. All of the major sellers we have seen, will whore themselves for a sale and safety is not the #1 concern. I am sure they had hoped it would have gone better, but dollars are the only thing that makes a sale, for a seller, not quality.

Old Lumens, From what I have gathered, there are no Jaxman components in the Cometa. Except perhaps some lenses maybe supplied unwittingly as spare parts. Jaxman have stated so. Banggood have admitted so. Manker have confirmed that they manufactured the Cometa as “build-to-print” to a Banggood design. The main mechanical parts do not “Lego”. There appears to be no commonality here, except the outward appearance, which has been copied so closely that even experienced owners of both were initially fooled. I see no reason to doubt any of these clear statements. Therefore I do not give your speculation any credence. I think it is unhelpful to continue to repeat it.

That's fine. I just don't think I will bother taking it all down, as you have pointed it out... it's not valid info, it's been noted by you. I didn't read everything about the controversy and I probably never will, so I should probably just stay out of it, since I don't really plan on being all that involved anyhow. Guess I was just not sleeping last night at the hospital and felt like running my mouth after all these days of silence.

Muto · May 30, 2016, 11:37pm

KawiBoy1428 wrote;
Wow 429kcd is that with a Xp-G2?

Yeah, XP-G2 S3 3C
It is # 2 on this list;

He makes great flashlights and has great attention to detail.

Budda · May 31, 2016, 12:19am

I can’t figure out this.
BG bought 100 lens for replacing, warranty and co.
Now, some say BG used the jaxman lens in the cometa produced by manker , while others say that the cometa lens is cleary inferior to the jaxman one. Which one is true?

Also, I’d like to hear how can you make hundreds reserved lights with 100 lens

KawiBoy1428 · May 31, 2016, 12:23am

Woah :+1: seen your beam shots!!! you got a keeper there never let that bad boy go, unless you want to sell it to me!!

hank · May 31, 2016, 1:25am

(between Cometa and Z1)

Key fact. That’s the later ones, made for sale — not the samples.

(The first round “V1” samples, shown in the pictures on the Italian site, appear to be actual Jax Z1 lights and boxes.)

stephenk · May 31, 2016, 1:31am

I managed to get a full refund in 7 days. Be polite but firm!

RobertB · May 31, 2016, 1:35am

I realize Manker made the Cometa from Banggood specs (so they say), however, Manker has control over the engineers, the machining, and the quality control aspects of the whole deal.
Let me ask Mankerlight a couple questions. Being that everyone knows you are a flashlight manufacturer, and that you manufactured the Cometa. Was money more important building a defective, sloppy, and potential dangerous light, than building a quality safe light, knowing full well hundreds of these would end up in the hands of people who have little or no knowledge of modifying flashlights? Did you not consider this would damage your reputation? What about the MCPCB design flaws of the S41 or the E14? Although not at the same level of incompetence, none the less, obviously very little thought process. Is there a problem at the Manker factory where engineers are not allowed to speak up when they see a potentially dangerous design flaw? Do you actually have engineers?

Don’t you have the responsibility to tell the non-engineers at Banggood the design is flawed and potentially dangerous?