[2016-06-11] Crackdown on rudeness

Anything which gets a lot of +1 and ā€“1 responses is likely a problem, just not quite the same type of problem. Divisiveness is one of the biggest issues on social media, polarizing people and getting them to fight instead of working together. Divisiveness is, unfortunately, rewarded in many situations, and itā€™s tearing people apart. Meanwhile, there is far less incentive to focus on the things people agree on, to focus on the obvious wins we can accomplish together.

Long but interesting article on the topic: The Toxoplasma Of Rage | Slate Star Codex

In any case, highly divisive posts are also a good reason for interference, such as locking a thread. It may not be rude, exactly, but if it splits people into groups and gets them fighting, thatā€™s worth doing something about.

ā€œHelpfulā€ is my favorite metric. You can get a ā€˜likeā€™ from being a jerk. You can get post-counts from being a jerk. You have to be nice to get a ā€˜helpfulā€™.

I swear like I breath, a sailor even, pretty much every other word. Well not really but some of you know what I mean.....Just can't do it in some places. I would prefer to, as I'm sure a lot of others would. I like swearing because it really gets the emotion conveyed. Not that I'm an angry person, I'm sure that's not a prerequisite. I'm just a very descriptive person, yea that's it, I'm descriptive. I would use it a lot here if I could and really appreciate the boards that do allow it.

That's just me being truthful, not rude.

Rude isnā€™t just some blacklist of words. You can be rude without cussing. And you can sure as hell be polite and cuss at the same time :slight_smile:

Post counts mean nothing to me. My thing is helping people when I can, and learning from others here. All of a sudden a thread came up called ā€œEvil stupid people in the world. :(ā€, so I commented on an evil person who ruined hundreds of peopleā€™s lives. Yes I said some bad words because I wss upset. Itā€™s the kind of language Iā€™m used to in real life, and Iā€™m sure most of you use the same language as I. This isnā€™t Leave It To Beaver. I donā€™t know, maybe Iā€™m making a bigger deal out of this than itā€™s worth :frowning:

I rather liked Leave it to Beaver :innocent:

Petticoat Junction was just too risque :blush:

Earlier in the thread I noted:

Ya know, tallying clicks on that sort of response might be useful as feedback, at that.

I have all the Leave it to Beaverā€™s on DVD :slight_smile: Same with The Munsters, Car 54, and others. I love those old shows.

@atbglenn - Yep, its all about helping were you can here on BLF. Sometimes I see a simple question posted by a new user go unanswered for a long time. Anytime I come across a question that I can help with, I answer it. Just take the time and do it. I've learned quite a bit here and have amassed an obscene amount of flashlights and flashlight related items in the time I have been here. I have a lot of valuable knowledge that I love passing on.

Iā€™m just looking forward to seeing what BLF will be like after the new feature isnā€™t so new and shiny. It has only been 4 days, so we donā€™t really know yet what the results will be after everything is settled.

Then why are you still here? I think itā€™s rude you stick around and dog everyone about this. You violated all the rules except rude with one post, and ever since then you have been arguing it was not rude, so it was ok.
Itā€™s a feature now. Please be nicer.

I very quickly skimmed your link, and i disagree
Divisiveness is not the problem, racism, sexism, abuse, elistism and religious ā€œsuperiorityā€ are the problems. As a society we donā€™t want to give up looking down on others and justify it with whatever sledge hammer we can come up with. Then we explain it and rationalize it away.

I'm fairly certain that the immediate impact, due to the new feature has been a total reduction in post count for the day. I you don't count this thread. Also, people will be thinking twice about what they are posting.

this thread is popular as pie :smiley:
In the end this issue will disappear into ether, and life goes on

One definition of (Rude), adjective

offensively impolite or ill-mannered.
"she had been rude to her boss"
synonyms: ill-mannered, bad-mannered, impolite, discourteous, uncivil, ill-behaved, unmannerly, mannerless; impertinent, insolent, impudent, disrespectful, cheeky; churlish, curt, brusque, brash, offhand, short, sharp; offensive, insulting, derogatory, disparaging, abusive; tactless, undiplomatic, uncomplimentary...

The more I think about it, the more I dislike the ā€œMy Rudeness Levelā€ meter. I feel like Iā€™m being watched with accusing eyes who think that Iā€™m going to be rude. Itā€™s like going into a store and the people behind the counter are watching you, thinking youā€™re going to steal something. Itā€™s doesnā€™t feel very welcoming, especially if youā€™re a new user who doesnā€™t understand where this rudeness meter comes from.

Maybe the ā€œMy Rudeness Levelā€ needs a different name, but I canā€™t think of a good one. Or maybe move the meter to somewhere in the Accounts section.

Agreed, for the past couple days the first thing I check when I enter BLF is the rudeness meter, and it makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable, like if Iā€™m expecting to be judged. I think it should be hidden until certain points are reached.

Some of the most popular ā€œforumsā€ on the internet have system of varying feedback in place. Reddit is huge and relies heavily on community feedback. Social sites like Facebook or Instagram wouldnā€™t function without likes andā€¦.whatever Instagram has (hearts?). The rudeness meter is nothing but a simplified version of those things (although strictly speaking it does have a more negative focus). I think its a good change and thinking twice before posting, and maybe posting less edgy content overall, is probably a good change for us all.

Agreed. I think itā€™s already working by just appearing there. We may never know the number of sentences that are edited before even going live just to be more accepted.

Hm.

Could it first open the BLF Rules page, then ask for confirmation while there?

Heck, if weā€™re postulating the first-time c-less n-bies, ā€œBLF Rulesā€ could be read as simple self-congratulatory cheerleadinging, rather than a link to the siteā€™s rules for posting.

[crowd noise] B! L! F! [lather rinse repeat]

No, Iā€™m still joking here, put down that programmer.

People can figure this out, even on a first visit by someone new to the whole online thing.

They start online at around age 5 nowadays, donā€™t they?