18650 TrustFire Flames 2400 mAh Battery Test

Batteries and Chargers Rechargeable Batteries
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Picked-up 4 TF 2400 mah protected from DD for just over 14 bucks delivered, with xmas discount.

Going to give them/charger/FryRay 818 to my elderly dad for the holidays.

Hope they are up to the task. The 818 pulls just over 1.75 amps on high, so it is one neutered, purple output fuster-cluck from MF. Luckily, the low output will work in the batteries' favor. He should be thrilled with the light.

I ordered a TF-1200 Q5X5, to replace it.

I hope it fares better than the FryRay junk I've purchased from MF!

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r1derbiker have you not read all the crap about DD with there fake flames and sending out unportected batteries when you order protected ? not all flames are equal here is the linik for you.

https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/4453

Why do you think i bothered with this thread, there is to many fake or junk flames being sold giving the good ones a bad rep. Some times cheaper is not always better.

The genuine TR-1200 is a great light but there is some fakes been offered cheap that are unregulated and have plastic lens with only 2 x 18650 battery tubes.

The geniune TR-3T6 is a much better light then the Fry ray 818

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Didn't see that, Benckie. Uh-oh.

The tr-1200 I ordered has the extension for 3 batteries, and a glass lens. I should be OK there.

I'll know quickly about the batteries. Have several hobby chargers from flying RC for years.

I don't do business with MF any more, after getting screwed with their customer service on a 3800 and 818.

It does seem that with most all vendors we deal with on BLF; buyer beware!

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Yes pick and choose products carefully that have been tryed and tested with replacement parts if you can, a seller is only as good as there supplier.

I personally like manafontand Jim has looked after me but I'm fussy with what I order. I would order from manafont before I will order from DX, DD, Focal point and so on, I don't order any thing electrical from eBay that is flashlight related cause I've been screwed more times then I've won.

The reasons for reviews and me doing 70 + hours of dishcaharge and charging is to show people what is ok and not ok to order as there is alot of yeah this is good and cheap but they turn out to be fake some times or the sellers are painful with incorrect orders and most people with out hobby chargers would not even know if a battery is ok or not.

Every one here wants to save money and get the best bang for there bucks but my short time on here I see the same people suggesting the same sites or untested products, people can say that about me and that's fine, but I see so many fellow torch freaks getting caught out.

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong or over thinking it as some times the deals are great and some times they are not, people talk about china being a lucky dip and this can be true, I might be crazy thinking it does not have to be this way and we don't need to spend big $$, maybe peoples expectations are to high from this cheap stuff and it's cheap for a reason.

So buy what you want from we're you want just becareful and never spend any more then your willing to loose on the net, that's the way I look at it.

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a link to my redilast 2600 mAh battery test.

https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/5025

a link to my solarforce 2400 mAh nattery test

https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/4958

a link to my hi-max 2600 mAh battery test.

https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/5082

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3 amp discharge test from fully charged (these are the new cells from post number 75, not the used cells i was testing before post number 75)

Cell A

Cell B

These performed well for bang VS buck

Thats the proof i need to say they are good for single cell lights aswell as multi cell lights

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very nice job ty

you are testing also your iCharger right? xD

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My Icharge 106B+ has had the firmware updated and has been calibrated by me and i check it now and then so its pretty spot on. ive had it for about 12 months or so, I use it to charge my remote controll li-po batteries for my truck, xbox 360 controller batteries, batteries for my daughters kid toy,s and digital camera batteries plus my torch batteries (mainly 18650,s).

It has proven to be a good reliable charger, it has payed for its self and it gets used every couple of days and some times its left on charging or discharging for a couple of days at a time, doing these Trustfire Flame 2400 mAh battery test,s i had it running none stop for 4 days over the long weekend.

The P350 power supply has been very good as well it has not skipped a beat in the same amout of time ive had the charger, its a bit of an over kill 15 volt 23 amps or 350 watt power supply as my charger is only 10 amps or 250 watt charge and 7 amps or 20 watt discharge, but it give,s me room to upgrade later on down the track and i use it for other things aswell.

You dont need such a big power supply for the Icharger 106B+ it will run off a 12v car battery or a 6 amp 15 to 18 volt power supply like a laptop power supply (minium 6 amps) or a computer power supply if you know what your doing, the higher the voltage the more efficient the charger is, 18 volt max.

I think the amount of use my charger gets and the time its left on charging or discharging i would of killed a few laptop 6 amp power supply,s by now, im glad i got the P350 power supply and for the record you must keep an eye on all chargers and batteries while being charged or discharged !

If your intrested here is a post about other uses for hobby chargers like the Icharger

https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/1621

And one about balance charging li-on batteries like 18650,s

https://budgetlightforum.com/t/-/3118

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Benckie,

As I said in the other thread I scored some of the TF batts against my principles from MF and just included them in with other stuff I was after from them.

Have read the above here and like you say for the money it's a good deal, what I want to do with them is 2s in parallel with xm-l using a 2a driver at 4.2v.

I'll do a post of my findings of them and it might help with info on MF supply consistency.

One thing I'm concerned with is the cut-off protection regulation on them though which appears iffy? Can you confirm.

I use Multiplex chargers.

For anyone interested in PSU supply a simple ATX computer type needs no wiring or resistor mods for voltage increase etc. Just use the double socket 12v output cable supply fitted to them. Cheapest most reliable switched PSU choice.

I've modded many a PSU and the ATX type has the ability to hold voltage and doesn't need anything doing for the lower wattage hobby chargers you are using and cost's peanuts on the bay.

M.

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ANL, I've got 8 supplies in use (4 in parallel, for some high current testing), all salvaged from computers over the years. They work dandily, for my +5 and + 12 volt needs. Just switch (connect) the green to ground on the 20 or 24 pin plug, and you have 12 on yellow leads, and 5 on red leads volts.

Good tip.

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I has a couple that didnt work well with the cut off but i crushed them in my TR-1200 all the rest have been fine including the new ones i tested they are no worse then solarforce, hi-max, redilast, the trustfire flames will go down to 2.75 volt.

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Coooooool.

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Yeah,

For heavy current/wattage chargers I use Rack Server PSU's but an ATX 3-500W (£7 or so delivered or 'free' if hustled locally s/h) is good to go with smaller hobby stuff and the +5v red to black earth is used on them for R/C rx bench running, 3.3v handy for led testing/power on indication etc.

A 5A wall plug switching psu is fine too on 50w ones.

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Almost forgot! The 4 in parallel are identical supplies, to keep things balanced.

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Way to go, must be an E-Biker on li-po?

Are they ATX standard or upped with resistors?

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If people are wondering how i come up with the above data table's i posted on this battery test, i data log using my icharger 106b+ connected to my computer for my battery tests, i use a program logVeiw V2.7.4* with icharger 106B+ with firmware v3.14 upgrade and then recalibrated the charger.

I use this program for my data log,s and for the data charts i post

http://www.logview.info/vBulletin/content.php?47-screenshots_1

I use the data tables instead of graphs becuse i find it simple and think it would be easy for other people to read and the data tables includes charge time updated every 2 seconds, voltage, watts, engery, mAh, plus induvidual cell voltage for upto 6 cells, internal temp of my charger, battery temperture, the chargers imput voltage from the power supply and so on and i can not get all that infomation on one graph.

I usualy only include the end of the charge cycle then hit the print screan button on the key board while the logVeiw program is running and opean on the screan of my computer, save the image in paint, then crop the image down with microsoft picture it! then up load the image to photobucket then post the image on the thread.

I cut out things like battery and charger tempture and induvidual cell voltage if im only doing one cell at a time to test.

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I'm open for suggestions for other tests on these batteries if there is any intrest ?

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Thanks benckie

I can't thank you enough for your continuous efforts to enlighten us. This is really awesome and I learned a great deal from all this informative stuff. I have to admit though that too much reading sometimes causes confusions. May I kindly suggest that you create a new thread for Li-Ion battery recommendations where you list the batteries in order of your preference and value for money. It will be a quick reference for us newbies instead of trying to dig out information from different threads.

Sorry for rambling guys. :)

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Sounds like a great idea.

There is two protected batteries that stand to me these Trustfires flames ive tested here and the redilast batteries, the redilast are not cheap.

But i do like the solarfoce V2,s well match low internal resistance but they are about $5 usd more then the Trustfires flames.

I might stick with the protected redilast's, i will buy more of the redilast's but they are from $12 to $19.75 USD each plus shipping.

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Benckie, I got the TF 2400 batts from MF today and they were all between 3.86-3.89v and i did a quick 1A test after charging to 4.18v on an XSTAR WP2 11.

I discharged one with a Multiplex charger at 1A to 3v and got 2262ma with 3.6v resting voltage. So I think they are good value for a protected cell, thanks for the prompt. Will do a 0.5A charge to 4.2v tomorrow and post here.

It will be interesting to see how they perform over the long term cycle life against Sanyo 2600 cells with single XM-L use.

M.