Sharpie you keep on digging yourself deeper.
Jaxman, don’t worry about this. People are just hungry for flashlights, or if they’re not getting flashlights, they want to talk about them anyhow.
Google Translate tells me this is the translation for kerfuffle.
乱哄哄
Luànhōnghōng
Not to worry, they just need hardware to argue about, or lacking that, firmware would do.
Patience? In poor supply.
No we don’t see how you got racist out of anything he wrote, please explain how you did.
P.S., anyone reluctant to give a credit card number can go to your favorite local bank, set up a checking account, and get a VISA or MasterCard debit card attached to that account.
And don’t accept overdraft protection (they have to offer it to you but you can decline, to avoid the piling-up of fees that can happen if one overdraft triggers another)
The numbers look just like a credit card. You lose the “credit card” protections by using a debit card, but the seller has no way to tell that.
And the only problem I’ve ever had with something completely wrong sent to me, Ali reimbursed me promptly with no problem when I showed them what I got.
Don’t worry. Be hungry.
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Did I get that right?
I have no idea what you meant by this, other than insinuating that I am raciest, along with Raccoon City. That, sir, I will NOT stand for. I’m glad you decided to remove yourself from this thread after nearly accusing 2 members of raciest remarks. For shame, sir… for shame.
Disputing a PayPal transaction doesn’t mean the buyer gets off “scot-free.” In every dispute I can remember, I had to send the product back in order to resolve the issue as the product was either damaged upon arrival, or it was no where near the description given.
I love how you ask for pro’s and con’s, yet accuse a member of wrong doing when they state that PayPal’s dispute process is a positive thing. And then accusing them of doing it “for reasons of prejudice, and ill will.” I’ll be sure the Administrator of the forum reads your comments as they are most certainly not welcome on this forum (in my opinion).
Oh, stop, stop, the irony is killing me ….
It’s not what you think. This whole line of digression is taxing.
Please remember Rule 4.
Bye.
“This whole line of digression is taxing.”
Well done sir, well done indeed! The term “scot-free” is the equivalent of saying it’s “tax free” as if to “get away with without consequence.”
Oxford Dictionaries - scott-free
Anyways back on track. I’ll be doing a 3 way comparison for throw and beam profile in my Z1. XML2 U4, XPG2 S4 (old version), and a XPL V6. All FET, all dedomed, all Efest 26650. I’m excited to see them all side by side!
Hi everyone, please drop the subject of accusations of racism, and please don’t recur to such accusations in the future.
Honestly, I don’t know why I’m responding to this., but your arrogant, self serving, condescending’ manor is a bit much to take.
I live in the US. I had no idea what Article 55 of the Lisbon Treaty is, but I looked it up article 55 That tells me nothing. Article 50 explains what I think you meant.
I don’t know what this has to do with the topic anyway.
The only debate we should be having, is why are you still here, serving the dumb masses.
Oh man, how is anyone supposed to follow an on topic line here?
Sigh….
J-Dub74, thanks for the input PayPal might become a normal payment option.
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Sharpie and others involved in Paypal vs Credit card discussion
Paypal is a safe and good payment method when a site is not known or has poor after sales.
So when AliExpress is unknown I can imagine paying with it has it benefits.
But over the years AliExpress has become a reliable platform and their dispute system is very easy and in case of problems one can explain and is actually listened to.
I’d choose AEs system over any other.
Here in Europe we enjoy western freedom as well yet there are undoubtedly more rules and regulations. A lot of them protect a consumer so paying with credit card to protect ones shoe repairs is not needed 
, paying with a credit card is not as normal here as it is in the States anyway.
For example when something is bought online the buyer can ship it back with no reason given within a period of time (at least a week after delivery) and must be refunded in full. So we have much less need of protection from PayPal here.
All items bought are covered by a legal warranty depending on the item, so we EU peeps don’t need to pay extra Apple care, we show the law texts and get helped (not that companies are not trying to sell extra warranty)
A lot of shops offer free shipping back (print out label, smack it on it and drop of parcel) because it inspires trust and makes people buy clothes for example without the risk of getting stuck with not fitting or a bill for shipping it back.
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I think the PayPal protection is a good thing
I like the AliExpress ways more
But of course I really like a vendor that ships the good as advertised.
Such vendor does not have to fear whatever refund measurements are in place.
Simon/Convoy and Paul/Jaxman deliver what they promise and as such are seen as good vendors by most people who ordered at them.
Jaxman probably is waiting for a longer list before making the hosts available, we know a lot of tyr parts can only be bought in high quantities and the current 20 will not justify spending thpusands
But who would get involved now…
Yes I think people will want to get involved after seeing input on this great host.
And in trlhr midst of the nasty parts all remarks and pics of the actual hosts and build are nice and promising!
So Yourrid, yeah i can’t wait on some pics!
Thanks SB!
AliExpress now offers Palpal. Having said that…I just tried the XHP35 on 16mm noct with heat sink. I need another tube to bring it up to 16.8 v…but it works. Yes I lost the focus and wish there was an extension adapter for the bezel lens. I’m going outside now but even in this form it is a great light. First impressions are I like it. l/m/h. I used a mtn-max 22mm buck 4S and a triple sink. More later
offtopic: BLF Giveaway started. Enter.
I used to use AliExpress as needed, when I had a Visa card to make payments (Visa bank card) Then my bank changed the card to Discover and AliExpress doesn’t accept Discover, so with no Visa and no PayPal I didn’t purchase from AliExpress at all for quite a while. Amanda at MaxToch would send me a PayPal invoice, Simon will do that too for the asking. And that is how I got around it.
We don’t have the options to use the payment methods AliExpress accepts other than in a limited way. I prefer, usually, not to use credit so this limited my purchase options.
FWIW, I haven’t had to use any form of protection as I’ve always gotten what I ordered and if it didn’t work, I fixed it. Gonna mod it anyway the majority of the time, so no biggie.
Funny, France is more old fashioned then Holland when it comes to digital things.
But we have something really neat.
When I log into our French bank I van make a virtual credit card
I type the amount needed (or more if I want)
Then I choose a period for this virtual card to be valid (say a week or longer if I want)
Click
Pop up
Picture of a MasterCard
New number
Chosen expiration date
The security code
And amount
I type the info on a website I do not know and tadaa, paid with protection of my bank credit card yet a unique number only valid for my chosen period and good for my chosen amount.
No criminal can do anything with this.
Very nice and safe.
Cool Miller, great idea and I’m sure it gets used a lot. 
There are US-based banks that offer virtual credit card numbers too. I know Bank of America offers them. They’re not very popular because they’re not really a great solution. Sure they may keep your “real” credit card number safe from being stolen, but they’re still tied to your actual credit account and carry the exact same protections, so there’s really no increased safety from them. I guess the one benefit is that if your “virtual” account number is stolen you don’t have to get a new card issued to you, but as far as your actual money is concerned there’s no benefit.
Yes if it is just a virtual extension of the account there is less benefit then what I have.
I can choose an amount and exp date.
I make one for the amount I need, pay and it is done and no more canbe taken of the account.
And actually I don’t use it often .
Sometimes when PayPal is not accepted since PayPal is much easier to pay with then logging in setting parameters and then type the number etc.
Yes, sorry if I wasn’t clear but that’s how the virtual card numbers work here too. Its tricky though, because things like overdraft protection mean that technically a card (even if its virtual) can be overdrawn. And expiration dates are flexible too since they’re based on months and not days, so they’re often at least weeks in the future. That gives a thief a lot of time to take advantage of a stolen account. And the point remains that if this happens you still have the same protection as using your real account number, so if money gets charged to your account fraudulently, whether through a virtual card or not, you stand the exact same chance of getting it back.
I’m not saying they’re a bad idea. There’s very little reason not to use one (except in places where the card number itself is some sort of verification, like online hotel reservations). I’m only saying that they really don’t provide as much protection as it would seem at first glance.
Please put me on the interest list
WILCO at next update.
I have quoted the whole post hence being misconstrued as just picking on some points and misinterpreted, but to the highlighted words, IMO those pronouncements are heavily-loaded and a very bad, sweeping accusation to ALL the rest of us BLF members as prejudiced, has ill will.