Hah, very convincing argument 
Thanks, everyone!
J-Dub74…is Simon going to release the clear C8 in host form?
That’s pretty simple.
Ish. Not really. The 0.1% mode is generally around a lumen, while a true firefly mode is typically under 0.1 lumens. It’s bright enough I wouldn’t call it a firefly mode and wouldn’t really call it a moon mode either. It’s just a “low low”.
Sorry, I didn’t make a flowchart this time because the UI is so simple it’s hard to put in chart form. The important part is mostly just the table of mode groups.
It’s similar to bistro, but simpler. So, here’s the UI for bistro…
For biscotti, remove the green part. Remove the dotted lines. Remove the middle section going down from “Lvl 1”. Remove all but two menu items (mode group and mode memory, in that order). Then add a table of 12 mode groups. So, in the end, it’s a circle with arrows pointing only one way. Plus a spiral, a very short menu, and a list of mode groups. But after the initial setup it’s basically just a circle (with the option to shortcut back to the first mode at any time with a long press). Because entering config mode requires going around the circle fast enough to break out, and that’s unlikely to happen during regular use.
And just when I thought I understood it to be simple.
Is there a video?
LOL, TK, whachoobeendrinking?
It’s easy. I can do it. If I can do it, it’s gotta be easy, right?
Odd I didn’t see this sooner.
The UI appears to be closer to the A6 firmware from what I can tell, except with reverse modes removed and more mode groups?
It’s much easier than it looks.
Normal usage:
- Fully click and release the button to turn the light on or off.
- Give the button a quick light tap to go to the next mode.
If you have memory turned off (which is default), you can also do this:
- Do a longer press to go back to the first mode.
That’s all.
If you want to change the configuration, it’s like J-Dub74 described.
- Give the button several quick light taps in a row (10+ times) until the light stops turning on.
- Wait a moment. The light should blink once, then “buzz”. Then it should blink twice then “buzz”.
- Click during the first buzz if you want to change the mode group. Or click during the second buzz to turn memory on or off.
- If you told it to change the mode group, it will come on in a special mode where it blinks 12 times very slowly, representing the 12 mode groups. Click after the number you want. For example, to select group 5, wait for it to blink 5 times then turn it off.
For most people, after setting it up the first time you can forget about all the config stuff. Then just treat it as a pretty normal light with your choice of modes.
The defaults (mode group 1, no memory) are probably best on a smaller EDC light. Since the C8 is more of a thrower though, I expect a lot of people will probably want to enable memory, or use a high-to-low mode group, or disable the lowest mode.
Thanks TK. Is there a thread that describes how to read a light flow chart ? When you describe it I understand it, when I look at the chart it looks like something from one of VanGogh’s nightmares.
THANK YOU for mentioning VanGogh! 
I did not completely understand Bistro just based on the UI diagram as it seems so complex but as soon as I saw it knew I wanted it on a t-shirt or printed poster size for my wall where I would display it proudly.
I know ToyKeeper disagrees with me on this point but her diagrams are pure art in my opinion and nobody will convince me otherwise. Perhaps it is not so to everyone but I love it. Seeing such geeky greatness displayed as flowing lines and curves and knowing that it was a bit of a puzzle until I understood how it worked left me in awe. I still am.
I installed this firmware in my flashlights and IMO it has a very simple and useful UI.
10+ clicks - 1 flash and fuzz - then click and select group.
10+ clicks - 1 flash and fuzz, 2 flashes and fuzz - then click to on/off memory mode.
That’s all. You have to make it ones and you never forget this.
I’d like to thank them too, especially Simon.
But I suspect he must have been swamped with irregular orders, so communication has been sparse. And I guess ordering almost ten different items didn’t help either.
GrayEd61, did you send PayPal to EDITED? I sent payment to that address but received no confirmation just yet. That’s still his email right? Can anyone confirm?
EDIT: The email in this thread 30%-50% discount / Free shipping / Coupon--------Shenzhen Great Wall Technology(Simon) Convoy-Flashlights is not his paypal email. You need to ask him for an invoice and tell him your email, or ask him his paypal email. Pardon the bureaucracy, read a bit further and you’ll find out why.
I would like to thank J-Dub & ToyKeeper for the wonderful work
How do I flash the new firmware on an existing S2+? Any soldering required?
thanks, buddy.
And once more I agree completely!
And indeed it was Dales video showing the way for Bistro for me.
I’ve just ordered one from Simon’s store!
ToyKeeper, J-Dub - also big thanks from my side!
The only con that Convoy had were the drivers…and now those looks perfect - already ordered.
Tony Rex, please don’t post other people’s emails in a public forum!
Tell that to the owner then.
Btw I just found out that email is not his current and I had to open a PayPal dispute just to get the wrong payment back.
Personal problems in the new C8 thread :person_facepalming: