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AgentSteel wrote:
I was disappointed with a crappy machette that I bought some time ago…

so I got myself the real deal… Tramontina Thumbs Up

I would be unhappy with a Swiss Army Knife as a machete too…

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AgentSteel wrote:
I was disappointed with a crappy machette that I bought some time ago…

so I got myself the real deal… Tramontina Thumbs Up

!{width:50%}https://i.imgur.com/DfFRJu5.jpg!

I’ve got that exact model, although I’ve never had to use it, apart from practicing my Kung-Fu moves in front of the mirror.

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I have used it few hours already, the edge on mine was well done, the grind was even. Edge is easy to maintain with a carbide sharpener, even when I made a tiny dent hitting a rock Silly

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Received my 6th SAK today, a Victorinox Climber. One of the few pocketknives you can still carry in almost every country without potential problems.

I use these smaller SAK’s as openers mainly while camping or traveling, I’ve been using a Spartan for years but wanted one with a pair of scissors.

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Today I got the highly rated ZT 0707 Aliexpress Special Edition

If you gave me this knife without me handling a real 0707 before, I would have absolutely no doubt about it being a real ZT. The machining, finishing, laser etching, chamfering are just perfect, the frame is actual titanium and the framelock insert fits better than my microtech socom elite. The carbon fiber has great finish and they didn’t use run of the mill twill pattern CF, but a quite unique one that I haven’t seen before, almost like interlocking S shapes. They even added a fake screw where the double detent system used to hold.

After adjusting the lockbar strength it deploys and closes marvelously and because the AE special edition 0707 doesn’t come with the fancy dual detent ball system it drops shut like a regular framelock knife, which is why I’m already bleeding at the back of my thumb.

Maybe the only give away apart from the lack of dual detent system is the pocket clip which is sharper at the edges compared to the original.

Even the weight is spot on. The way they manage to cram this much quality into a knife and have it shipped for $50 is simply mind blowing.

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well, not “today”, however i have been shopping at our state government surplus store
which gets TSA confiscations and sells them for $10-$20. although i have posted about
this in other threads, this year’s purchases include:
Spyderco Delica, Boker Kalashnikov Desert Warrior,
Schrade Stockman, and an SOG Auto Dagger.

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will34 wrote:
Today I got the highly rated ZT 0707 Aliexpress Special Edition

If you gave me this knife without me handling a real 0707 before …

Setting aside the obvious issues, another problem with “fake” knives, ZT or otherwise, is that the steel stamp also tends to be fake. For instance, there is a 0% chance that this is 20CV. So what is it? If you are lucky, it might be 8Cr13Mov. If not, it’s probably 3Cr13. In either case, that’s a lot of money for something with that level of edge retention.

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turkeydance wrote:
well, not “today”, however i have been shopping at our state government surplus store
which gets TSA confiscations and sells them for $10-$20. although i have posted about
this in other threads, this year’s purchases include:
Spyderco Delica, Boker Kalashnikov Desert Warrior,
Schrade Stockman, and an SOG Auto Dagger.
Oh wow… I can imagine the opportunities for lost gems. You get some high value knife for a song, post about it over on the knife forums, and then some guy cries “That’s MY KNIFE that the blasted TSA confiscated from me!!” Wink

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Setting aside the obvious issues, another problem with “fake” knives, ZT or otherwise, is that the steel stamp also tends to be fake. For instance, there is a 0% chance that this is 20CV. So what is it? If you are lucky, it might be 8Cr13Mov. If not, it’s probably 3Cr13. In either case, that’s a lot of money for something with that level of edge retention.
This is precisely the issue that keeps me from buying those. The question of authentic steel.
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Chronovore wrote:
will34 wrote:
Today I got the highly rated ZT 0707 Aliexpress Special Edition

If you gave me this knife without me handling a real 0707 before …

Setting aside the obvious issues, another problem with “fake” knives, ZT or otherwise, is that the steel stamp also tends to be fake. For instance, there is a 0% chance that this is 20CV. So what is it? If you are lucky, it might be 8Cr13Mov. If not, it’s probably 3Cr13. In either case, that’s a lot of money for something with that level of edge retention.

Oh I’m well aware of that, most of these are probably just cheap and common D2 steel with varying levels of heat treatment, I’ve been lucky enough before to get chinese D2 blades with very decent edge retention and actually getting them sharpened to near mirror finish. This one was surprisingly sharp out of the box with no visible defects on the edge. I will never carry this knife and pass it as genuine, or grab it for a more serious situation, I have plenty other knives for that.

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Chronovore wrote:
will34 wrote:
Today I got the highly rated ZT 0707 Aliexpress Special Edition

If you gave me this knife without me handling a real 0707 before …

Setting aside the obvious issues, another problem with “fake” knives, ZT or otherwise, is that the steel stamp also tends to be fake. For instance, there is a 0% chance that this is 20CV. So what is it? If you are lucky, it might be 8Cr13Mov. If not, it’s probably 3Cr13. In either case, that’s a lot of money for something with that level of edge retention.

There have been some legitimate instances, where some boutique steel in Chinese knives has been verified by third parties and S35V and Kiser knives comes to mind, but I agree with your point.

Don’t trust the Chinese.

Chris

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A fake ZT0230 on the aliexpress YSTART store was going with the claim that the marked CPM-20CV was actually 440C.
https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005001460111457.html?spm=a2g0o.store_pc_...

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Setting aside the obvious issues, another problem with “fake” knives, ZT or otherwise, is that the steel stamp also tends to be fake. For instance, there is a 0% chance that this is 20CV. So what is it? If you are lucky, it might be 8Cr13Mov. If not, it’s probably 3Cr13. In either case, that’s a lot of money for something with that level of edge retention.

There have been some legitimate instances, where some boutique steel in Chinese knives has been verified by third parties and S35V and Kiser knives comes to mind, but I agree with your point.

Don’t trust the Chinese.

Chris

My point is definitely not “don’t trust the Chinese”. There are lots of good knife companies in China such as Bestech and Petrified Fish. Kizer does a really nice job. WE and their sub-brands, Civivi and Sencut, can definitely be trusted. There is no question about their steel stamps.

The issue here is an obviously fake steel stamp on a blatant counterfeit. There is just no way that you are going to get 20CV, with any kind of heat treatment, on a $50 knife. The fact that it is a counterfeit, posing as something that it isn’t, only reinforces the point. Of the steels that could be used in a $50 knife, why would a counterfeiter swing high with 9Cr18Mov, D2, or a Sandvik steel? The job of selling a counterfeit is just as well accomplished by 8Cr13 or a lower member of that series. Those steels are much cheaper and can be sharpened to a very fine edge. They just won’t hold it like a better steel.

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Chronovore wrote:
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Chronovore wrote:
Setting aside the obvious issues, another problem with “fake” knives, ZT or otherwise, is that the steel stamp also tends to be fake. For instance, there is a 0% chance that this is 20CV. So what is it? If you are lucky, it might be 8Cr13Mov. If not, it’s probably 3Cr13. In either case, that’s a lot of money for something with that level of edge retention.

There have been some legitimate instances, where some boutique steel in Chinese knives has been verified by third parties and S35V and Kiser knives comes to mind, but I agree with your point.

Don’t trust the Chinese.

Chris

My point is definitely not “don’t trust the Chinese”. There are lots of good knife companies in China such as Bestech and Petrified Fish. Kizer does a really nice job. WE and their sub-brands, Civivi and Sencut, can definitely be trusted. There is no question about their steel stamps.

The issue here is an obviously fake steel stamp on a blatant counterfeit. There is just no way that you are going to get 20CV, with any kind of heat treatment, on a $50 knife. The fact that it is a counterfeit, posing as something that it isn’t, only reinforces the point. Of the steels that could be used in a $50 knife, why would a counterfeiter swing high with 9Cr18Mov, D2, or a Sandvik steel? The job of selling a counterfeit is just as well accomplished by 8Cr13 or a lower member of that series. Those steels are much cheaper and can be sharpened to a very fine edge. They just won’t hold it like a better steel.

What is “fake steel stamps”? It’s either legit X, Y or Z, or it’s not?

Nobody who knows anything about quality knives, refers to things as “fake steel stamps?”

I don’t really give two shits about what your point is, frankly.

The Chinese rip off shit and lie about all manner of things and you’re giving them only a slight glance, tells me you’re probably Chinese?

I don’t even know where to begin, with your comments, so let me try.

“There are lots of good knife companies in China such as Bestech and Petrified Fish. Kizer does a really nice job.”

What is your basis for comparison, for making the above statement?

What other quality knives do you own and use, where you can make this statement?

In my Kiser example, it was only shown that they had taken delivery of legitimate, S35V, not that they even knew how to heat treat it properly.

As far as the other brands you mention, what are you comparing them to and for what tasks?

A lot of the cheap asses here love to rave on their ChiCom $30 knives as if they were the “God’s gift to humanity,” but ask them what they do with them and it’s the same old, same thing as opening a few other boxes from Amazon and a few junk mail letters that they get on a daily basis.

Chris

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At Blade show this year I picked up these two, UTX-70 and a UTX-85. Loved the serrations but didn’t care for the black coating on the 85 too much once I started to carry it. It marked way too easily so I traded for the a different 85 and also picked up a Mini Freek.

Satin/stonewashed blades are really much better if you intend to actually use your knife. Kinda want to have someone do serrations on the new 85 but cheapest I’ve found is $125! That’s more than half of what I paid for it lol.

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Chronovore wrote:
My point is definitely not “don’t trust the Chinese”…

There’s no arguing with your point, I don’t think anyone on their right mind knowingly buying a fake knife would assume for a second that they’re being given real 20CV steel, the point of manufacturing a fake knife is to make it LOOK and FEEL as close as possible as the real thing, not necessarily to perform as such. And to make it look real they must include the correct laser etching and such. I bought mine just because I was curious if I was going to get a decent titanium framelock for $50 and I did, but would never trust this one with carry or real use.

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Of the steels that could be used in a $50 knife, why would a counterfeiter swing high with 9Cr18Mov, D2, or a Sandvik steel? The job of selling a counterfeit is just as well accomplished by 8Cr13 or a lower member of that series.

5 years ago you’d be entirely correct but as things are right now I will have to disagree with you here. From some time ago the chinese realized that if they do clones (or homages whatever you wanna call it) and make it good, they would have a product that will continue to steadily sell for a long time at a profitable price. This generates a lot more $$ than doing a single run of low quality counterfeit crap. Why? because now there is a culture of comparing which fake is the fakest and closest to the real stuff.

One example are Pagani watches which are nothing more than straight copies of rolex and omega watches just with a different name. You’d assume they would make these watches with crappy movements and decorative subdials but no, they are often well reviewed and said to be best in the price range. Some of them even use real seiko movements which are tuned to be more accurate than genuine seiko watches with the same movement.

Go over at any replica subreddit and there are thousands of people discussing which sneaker or street wear clothing has the best quality. Often these items are made to the same level of quality than the real one and people can’t tell the difference between the two unless inspecting very closely.

The chinese are excellent at mass producing stuff and they can do it as high of a quality as you’re willing to pay for. What they are not good at is coming up with original or innovative desings, so they realized if they just skipped the design, R&D and marketing side of things they could find their way into the market.

D2 steel is just hardeded tool steel, it’s very cheap to manufacture and to machine, with the only gripe that the quality is determined by the heat treatment process. I’m not advising people to go out there and buy fakes knives, but if they do, I hope they at least don’t try to pass it as genuine.

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Got the Kizer Junges a few days ago. Very smooth operating and scary sharp right out of the box. It’s been a while since I ordered a new blade. Really liked the style of this one. I like a flipper with a thumb stud.

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ChrisGarrett][quote=Chronovore wrote:
What is “fake steel stamps”? It’s either legit X, Y or Z, or it’s not?

Nobody who knows anything about quality knives, refers to things as “fake steel stamps?”

I don’t really give two shits about what your point is, frankly.

The Chinese rip off shit and lie about all manner of things and you’re giving them only a slight glance, tells me you’re probably Chinese?

I don’t even know where to begin, with your comments, so let me try.

“There are lots of good knife companies in China such as Bestech and Petrified Fish. Kizer does a really nice job.”

What is your basis for comparison, for making the above statement?

What other quality knives do you own and use, where you can make this statement?

In my Kiser example, it was only shown that they had taken delivery of legitimate, S35V, not that they even knew how to heat treat it properly.

As far as the other brands you mention, what are you comparing them to and for what tasks?

A lot of the cheap asses here love to rave on their ChiCom $30 knives as if they were the “God’s gift to humanity,” but ask them what they do with them and it’s the same old, same thing as opening a few other boxes from Amazon and a few junk mail letters that they get on a daily basis.

Chris

I get that this is the internet and you don’t know who I am but there is no need to be rude. To answer your questions:

I’ve been into knives since the early 1990s. I’ve owned, used, and carried knives from Buck, Case, Spyderco, Kershaw, CRKT, Gerber, Schrade, Harnds, Hogue, TRM, Kizer, Bestech, WE and their sub-brands, and many more. I have also disassembled and maintained a lot of knives over the years. More recently, I’ve been active in getting knives tested and sharing results on which companies are using the steels they say, have good heat treatments, etc.

I’m not Chinese. I’m a white guy from America. I was also active in the America First movement back before some of the members here might have been born. However, I value quality knives whether they are made in China, Japan, Sweden, or wherever else. I also understand that people or companies are not synonymous with their governments. There are good Chinese people and good Chinese companies. To think otherwise is straight-up racist.

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will34 wrote:
Chronovore wrote:
Of the steels that could be used in a $50 knife, why would a counterfeiter swing high with 9Cr18Mov, D2, or a Sandvik steel? The job of selling a counterfeit is just as well accomplished by 8Cr13 or a lower member of that series.

5 years ago you’d be entirely correct but as things are right now I will have to disagree with you here. From some time ago the chinese realized that if they do clones (or homages whatever you wanna call it) and make it good, they would have a product that will continue to steadily sell for a long time at a profitable price. This generates a lot more $$ than doing a single run of low quality counterfeit crap. Why? because now there is a culture of comparing which fake is the fakest and closest to the real stuff.

One example are Pagani watches which are nothing more than straight copies of rolex and omega watches just with a different name. You’d assume they would make these watches with crappy movements and decorative subdials but no, they are often well reviewed and said to be best in the price range. Some of them even use real seiko movements which are tuned to be more accurate than genuine seiko watches with the same movement.

Go over at any replica subreddit and there are thousands of people discussing which sneaker or street wear clothing has the best quality. Often these items are made to the same level of quality than the real one and people can’t tell the difference between the two unless inspecting very closely.

The chinese are excellent at mass producing stuff and they can do it as high of a quality as you’re willing to pay for. What they are not good at is coming up with original or innovative desings, so they realized if they just skipped the design, R&D and marketing side of things they could find their way into the market.

D2 steel is just hardeded tool steel, it’s very cheap to manufacture and to machine, with the only gripe that the quality is determined by the heat treatment process. I’m not advising people to go out there and buy fakes knives, but if they do, I hope they at least don’t try to pass it as genuine.

Of course, I was generalizing. There are differences and a big part of it is cost and access for whoever is manufacturing it. There are plenty of cases of real G-10 and caged bearings being used in such knives. Some of them have impressive actions too. I’ve never handled a counterfeit in titanium but it seems to happen. The point is that something usually gives up for profit besides the brand name mark-up, licensing, R&D, cost of manufacturing in a particular country, etc. It’s not like clothing or textiles where the brand name alone can mean the bulk of the profit.

Blade steel and heat treatment are the usual suspects in counterfeits. Sure, they might pay the cost difference from 3Cr13 to 8Cr13Mov. It happens regularly. In fact, a lot of fake D2 stamps have tested as 8Cr13Mov. While D2 does show up in legitimate $20-something knives, sometimes with a decent heat treatment relative to Chinese D2, it does seem to carry a higher cost of manufacturing than 8Cr13Mov. There may be cases where it makes sense for a counterfeiter to use it but generally, I don’t expect it. I certainly wouldn’t expect anything better than Chinese D2 in a clone or counterfeit bearing a fake stamp.

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The Spyderco Tenacious appears legitimate because there’s a low likelihood of copies of their lower end budget models, and the price seems about right.

The CJRB isn’t a copy per se, unless the concern is over its resemblance to the ZT 0460 model? If it was branded as a ZT at that price, then it would be classified as a clone. In this case it’s an “homage.” LOL

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scalpel_ninja wrote:
The Spyderco Tenacious appears legitimate because there’s a low likelihood of copies of their lower end budget models, and the price seems about right.

The CJRB isn’t a copy per se, unless the concern is over its resemblance to the ZT 0460 model? If it was branded as a ZT at that price, then it would be classified as a clone. In this case it’s an “homage.” LOL


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Thank You “scalpel_ninja” for verifying this for me. I just ordered both yesterday and after reading the previous posts about copies, it was concerning I had made a mistake and needed to cancel the orders. Your input is Greatly appreciated. Big Smile
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Rat wrote:
Got my SOG today what a knife back in love with SOG after all these years looks like they are making good stuff again.

The micarta on the handle is the best I have ever seen or felt in any knife. It will darken with the oils from my skin.
The action is out of this world never had a knife so lose and smooth with no play in it. It is by far the best fidget knife I have ever owned.

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SOG has made some really great knives outside of their usual mass production lines. I still have a San Mai Vulcan Tanto that is just gorgeous, very smooth action, wonderful blade… and it has kept me from buying so many knives in the 3.5 ~ 4.0” range. That Kiku is such a great looking knife. I love that rough age-prone micarta. I just wish it didn’t have that “spiked” flipper tab. I can see that getting snagged on stuff.
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SOG has made some really great knives outside of their usual mass production lines. I still have a San Mai Vulcan Tanto that is just gorgeous, very smooth action, wonderful blade… and it has kept me from buying so many knives in the 3.5 ~ 4.0” range. That Kiku is such a great looking knife. I love that rough age-prone micarta. I just wish it didn’t have that “spiked” flipper tab. I can see that getting snagged on stuff.

If you like the design, I recommend checking out the Djinn by Damned Designs. Front flipper that won’t snag on anything. Action is excellent.

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If you like the design, I recommend checking out the Djinn by Damned Designs. Front flipper that won’t snag on anything. Action is excellent.

Thanks! Interesting design. I see it’s an Indiegogo funded knife. Bummer to see the 50% off deal is over. Tired I do see they’ve got a website with the Djinn available for $40, but not in that color scheme…
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xevious wrote:
Thanks! Interesting design. I see it’s an Indiegogo funded knife. Bummer to see the 50% off deal is over. Tired I do see they’ve got a website with the Djinn available for $40, but not in that color scheme…

There are other color options too. I owned a black titanium handled one with S35VN steel. I kinda regret selling it…

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Buck 120 General This was Buck of the month , August . Ironwood handle , brass bolster , D2 steel . Really beautiful looking knife.

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