The Elephant and the Dragon

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The Elephant and the Dragon

This light has received a new Nick name: Darth Vader

Not a budget mod overall, but may be it qualifies as “Budget Elephants” series? Smile

No, this is not about India & China, a book on Amazon regarding to the impact to American economy due to the rise of these two countries.

This is about a crazy man’s rendition of a crazy flashlight that Throws…

The “Elephant” is a 3×18650 Fat Body, a DIY creation as seen here:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?341778-FM3X-UT-with-CBT-90-amp-Home-made-Elephant

The “Dragon” is the Aspherical head of Fly Dragon, the largest Aspherical head available from a production light. Mag D head was grind down into an adaptor to covert it for mag Use as seen before, details here: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?280670-Enter-The-mag-Dragon-Beam-shots-added

The Switch section of the mag was cut & used to connect the Elephant & the Dragon, with a 12V blue plasma Vandal switch. The light is the one on the Right of the picture.

The light Engine is XML U2 on Copper PCB with Trustfire X6 SST-90 12V Driver, copper heat sinked for Mag D tube.

What’s reaming to finish up are all the wirings, including re-wire the parallel 3×18650 carrier into serial configuration to deliver 12V.

Just completed the wiring of the head section:

I thought that the only things left is reworking the carrier. But no, the new version of the elephant host came with a new type of carrier making it much harder to re-wire to 3S from 3P.

I am going to re-config the 3S carrier from DRY 3T6 instead, as a result, it’ll be 1/2 inch shorter, thus, it’ll be necessary to cut down the body again, but in the end, it’ll be worth it as shorter body will make the light even more compact & looks closer to the geometry of original FM Elephant.

Stay tuned, I am going on a break, go online & butcher some teenage players in MW3

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Those two both look insane, so elephant gets a CBT 90, and the Dragon gets an XML-U2?

just curious, when you said ‘The light Engine is XML U2 on Copper PCB with Trustfire X6 SST-90 12V Driver’ did you take the driver out of an X6, or did you get a different driver altogether? Because the stock X6 driver on high only goes to 6.5 amps.

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6.5 amps seems like plenty for an XM-L to me. Smile

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Oh right, I totally glazed over that. Automatically assumed the driver was for the CBT. How on earth can an XML handle 6.5 amps though…

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Copper PCB? It probably would do better with slightly less current though. (5 amps is probably the sweet spot)

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Even with a copper PCB, 6.5 is really high for an XML. I would think that 6.5 might heat it up a bit too much to get maximum brightness, but I dont know, I have never done it before.

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It’s the SST-90 driver from DX, which is the driver from trust fire, 6.5a max.

I agree that 6.5A is a bit much :), but there was a test that XML with copper pcb went to 6A & lumen still going up. 12V drivers for 5-5.5A range are either hard to find or cost a fortune, most of the cheaper SST-50 “5A” drivers are 4A or less, and are for 8.4v, can’t trust any of the specs unless somebody actually tested at led.

Given the BLF spirit, I decide to use the driver on hand, I had this driver for a while, mwant for SST-90 but I didn’t like that it only go up to 6.5A. Given that I’ve driven XRE to 2.4 Amp (1mm die), 6.5A on a 4mm die may not look all that crazy.

I could always swap the driver out later if I don’t like it. I need to do some test & see if it actually pull 6.5A or not,

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Found Match’s test thread:

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/10267

Also an older test by Saabluster on CPF T6 on Copper:

More:

Mike_CZ tes on XML copper ledtech.de” www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?343702”:www.candlepowerfor...

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Daaayum, never thought a normal star would be lacking so much heat dissipation.. Compared to the copper PCB.
Looks like heat really is everything. I think later I’m going to try get an XML to go to 7 amps. I don’t have a way of testing lumen output yet, but it’ll be fun.
I’m thinking a copper chunk on top of a fanless CPU cooler on top of a flat piece of dry ice. I want to see the limits of an XML. If only I had an integration sphere… so much research would be done :bigsmile:

EDIT: actually scratch that, I don’t have a way of getting controlled currents into LEDs yet. maybe later.. Sad

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Wow, that is a sweet build!

Who’s in for pics of the LED mounted on copper? Big Smile

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Slewflash wrote:
Daaayum, never thought a normal star would be lacking so much heat dissipation.. Compared to the copper PCB. Looks like heat really is everything. I think later I'm going to try get an XML to go to 7 amps. I don't have a way of testing lumen output yet, but it'll be fun. I'm thinking a copper chunk on top of a fanless CPU cooler on top of a flat piece of dry ice. I want to see the limits of an XML. If only I had an integration sphere... so much research would be done :bigsmile: EDIT: actually scratch that, I don't have a way of getting controlled currents into LEDs yet. maybe later.. :(

I am currently gathering supplies for mounting a XM-L on a Peltier plate and testing it at currents up to 10 amps. I just haven't gotten a chance to make and calibrate and IS yet. My hope is to do the test sometime around January. 

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Oh that’s smart, I’ve never thought of using a Peltier plate before. I am really interested to see the results of 10 amps, since up to 6.5 amps on the graph it’s still going up. If you can, also test the SST-90, I want to see what’s the maximum you can push it to while it’s being cooled.

But are peltier plates effective at removing a lot of heat fast? I read that it takes a few minutes to cool down to it’s minimum temperature.

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I don't plan on doing a SST-90 as the power supply I have access to only goes goes up to 10 amps. (Or something like that) If not peltier plates then dry ice. Big Smile Either should be able to keep the LEDs at sub zero temps. 

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Well I still look forward to the 10amp sub zero XML, which of course isn’t possible in a normal flashlight host. Maybe if there was a host which had an inbuilt peltier plate in between the pill and heatsink and driver and heatsink – now that would be pretty nice. But I think peltier plates require a ton of energy, so it won’t happen in the near future Silly

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Slewflash wrote:
Well I still look forward to the 10amp sub zero XML, which of course isn't possible in a normal flashlight host. Maybe if there was a host which had an inbuilt peltier plate in between the pill and heatsink and driver and heatsink - now that would be pretty nice. But I think peltier plates require a ton of energy, so it won't happen in the near future :P

I'm certainly excited to find out what it can do but don't hold your breath. Smile I still have to make the IS and figure out the best way to mount the LED, that along with convince them to lend me the power supply. Big Smile 

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Here are the last two steps:

Added a copper ring on top of the DRY carrier to route the battery Negative up there.
Also cut the elephant body down about 1/2 inch.

The switch lit up when the light is on:

Group photo of contestants for the up coming beam shots Battle in the Wood III: The Elephants vs. The Foxes:
All are 3×18650 format except FF3. (left to right FF1 35W HID, Elephant FM3H CBT-90 9A, Elephant FM3V CBT-90 15.5A, Elephant Dragon XML U2 6.5A & FF3 40W HID)

I actually measured the lux but I am keeping it secret Smile until the Elephantr vs. Foxes battle time, but here is a hint, when on Medium mode, it scored 160,000 lux @ 1 meter, can you imagine what’ the lux # on Hi? Crown

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Awesome work Ma_sha!

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Thanks Smile

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Ma_sha, your work is simply stunning!! I can't wait to see what that does on high. What is the lens diameter on the Dragon head?

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I love your posts. Seriously nice pictures there. And nearly insane lights! Wonderful.

Looking forward to the shootout and the revealing of the score on high! TY for showing this.

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Amazing, as usual.

I really like the vandal-proof switch; do you know if it will tolerate 16V ?

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JohnnyMac wrote:

Ma_sha, your work is simply stunning!! I can’t wait to see what that does on high. What is the lens diameter on the Dragon head?

Thanks buddy, the Aspheric is about 3” diameter

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I love your posts. Seriously nice pictures there. And nearly insane lights! Wonderful.

Looking forward to the shootout and the revealing of the score on high! TY for showing this.

Thanks.

The number will be revealed at the night of the shoot out, but I have one more light to make before the shootout, the legendary 2000 lumen FM1909 incan, it pulls 6 Amp at 12V. I’ve never seen any lux numbers except everyone that had one appears to have been blown away, I hope it’ll live up to the hype in a 3” turbo head against these led & HID monsters. I’s been ordered Smile

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Fantastic effort ma_sha1. Your really pushing the bounderies here. Looking forward to the shootout.

 

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Amazing, as usual.

I really like the vandal-proof switch; do you know if it will tolerate 16V ?

Thanks, buddy. I don’t know but I think most likely yes, as it’s low amp draw for the glow, it’ll probably just glow brighter.

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Fantastic effort ma_sha1. Your really pushing the bounderies here. Looking forward to the shootout.

Thanks!

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On high – 300k lux

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Wow, amazing!

 

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Thanks Guys,

Still waiting for Five Mega to ship the FM 1909 bulb & another FM3H turbo head….

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I have forgot to mention that the led star I used is direct solder copper base ceramic star taken off from Olight SR51.
It looks like it has copper surface contact area 3 time that of the Led-tech de copper star.

Aside from making your own, There are three places one can get XML on copper star, I have tried all three,
this is how I felt about them:

International outdoor: good for 4.5A Thin copper & rather small contact area
Ledtech de: good for 5.5A Thick copper but rather small contact area
SR51 star: good for 6.5A, thin copper but rather large contact area, it’s huge almost 1 inch square

The SR95 star is same technology as the SR51, direct to copper thin & large, almost 2” rectagle

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I have almost no flashlights left, except very few must keep including the Darth Vader, finally I managed to de-dome the XML cleanly to increase the lux further:

It came out pretty well, the lux went up from 280klux to 468 Klux, I think it might be worth trying adding a Weiven Collar? I maybe able to get it up to DEFT X level of throw but with a 2x bigger spot, since DEFT-X is XPG2 de-dome , this is based on XML de-dome,