Interested in the next BLF/Manafont custom light?

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xP.1337 wrote:

im just curious, whats with the members fascination with 14500 anyways? lol

or really tiny lights? 

Not just size, but also being able to use an AA if you get caught short somewhere.  Both the J4 custom and the Xeno/Farka that are being discussed have that ability.

Besides, having a lithium-ion only light necessarily excludes a lot of people unwilling to make that extra investment.  At the price we're talking about for the light alone, a decent charger and a pair of protected 18650s doubles the outlay.  Even something that supports CR123As is a stretch for me - I would be paying something like $4-$5 per cell local.

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  1. Price - $30-40 if perfect (like said before)
  2. LED type  - XP-G (XM-L isnt necessary)
  3. Mode arrangement (quantity, order, and approximate lumen output for each mode) - 1 mode, ramping with shortcuts, Think of D10 (hahhaa)
  4. Mode memory? remember brightness level, yes
  5. NiMH and 14500 support, Primarily NiMH, but 14500 would be nice
  6. LED tint Neutral all the way Anything between Cree tint 3-5

 

  1. Price - $30 if perfect (like said before)
  2. LED type  - XP-G (XM-L isnt necessary)
  3. Mode arrangement (quantity, order, and approximate lumen output for each mode) - 2 mode, High 140 and Low 10, Head Tight/Lose respectively, Forward Clicky.
  4. Mode memory? remember brightness level by Mechanical mode selection
  5. NiMH and 14500 support, Primarily NiMH, but 14500 would be nice
  6. LED tint Neutral all the way Anything between Cree tint 3-5

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  1. Maximum reasonable price  - I'd go $20-25
  2. LED type  -  XPE R3
  3. Mode arrangement (quantity, order, and approximate lumen output for each mode)  - 4 modes, Moonlight, low, med, high
  4. Mode memory?  yes, but not critical if it isn't there
  5. NiMH and 14500 support - if ~150 lumens on NiMH, then I don't need 14500 support
  6. LED tint  - not picky here

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1. I'd spend up to $50 if the light was somethin' awesome

2. I'd prefer XM-L, it'd be amazing to see in aa/14500 form. I'd be happy with an XPG though. 

3. I like low-med-high arrangement.

4. mode memory is not critical if the arrangement is good.

5. I would need 14500 support if the light was AA size

6. I would like a neutral tint

7. I would like HA-III and darn near IPX-8 waterproofing as well! I take my lights camping/fishing/canoeing in all sorts of conditions, so I want my lights to withstand the elements Smile

8. A pocket clip is nice, but not 100% necessary as I know its not likely to get a light meeting everyones specs lol. 

Thanks for getting this going! I am excited to see what kind of light we end up with for the BLF V2 Big Smile

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  1. Price - under $40 delivered. I'm not buying as many lights this year but will pay for the one i want - can't afford to buy so many especially as I am now consulting lawyer about an 18% pay cut coming in April 2012.
  2. XM-L for preference - XP-G fine
  3. I like the arrangement from the last BLF light - XL,L,M,H but would really like ramping if that's doable at a sensible price
  4. Mode memory. Don't care but probably none for preference. UF-H3 arrangement would be very good.
  5. Don't care if it is 14500 only. NiMH for me a bonus - will mostly get used on 14500. IMR if necessary. This is something I'm happy to compromise on. NiMH only would not be good for me unless it is very bright (>200lumens). Don't care about current draw below 6A on NiMH on high.
  6. Don't care. At the same level of output I'd prefer warmer to cooler - but not at the expense of output unless it is horribly blue or green.
  7. Hard anodising would be nice but is far from essential.

 

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  1. Price: $18 - $25
  2. LED type: XP-G R5 with smooth reflector optimized for throw
  3. Mode arrangement: 
  • NIMH: 0.5 lumens, 20 lumens, 80 lumens, 140 lumens
  • 14500: 0.5 lumens, 20 lumens, 80 lumens, 300 lumens
  • Mode memory: Yes, memorize mode after OFF for half a second
  • NiMH and 14500 support: Both
  • LED tint: neutral
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    Don wrote:
    1. Price - under $40 delivered. I'm not buying as many lights this year but will pay for the one i want - can't afford to buy so many especially as I am now consulting lawyer about an 18% pay cut coming in April 2012.

     

    Woah, sorry to hear that, Don. That sucks. Let us know if there's anything we can do. There are always plenty of people lurking (I know I was lurking for months before I started posting) and someone might know someone who knows someone. Well, you know how these things go.

    BTW, I first read that as "I am now a consulting lawyer" and my first thought "I don't think I've ever seen anyone go from being a pastor to being a lawyer". Big Smile

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    Oxy Moron wrote:

    Don wrote:
    1. Price - under $40 delivered. I'm not buying as many lights this year but will pay for the one i want - can't afford to buy so many especially as I am now consulting lawyer about an 18% pay cut coming in April 2012.

     

    Woah, sorry to hear that, Don. That sucks. Let us know if there's anything we can do. There are always plenty of people lurking (I know I was lurking for months before I started posting) and someone might know someone who knows someone. Well, you know how these things go.

    BTW, I first read that as "I am now a consulting lawyer" and my first thought "I don't think I've ever seen anyone go from being a pastor to being a lawyer". Big Smile

     

    My father was a law professor and judge. Legal advice comes cheap for me.

    It'll work out or I'll end up doing an IT job I'll hate but will pay rather better.

    I have some exotic IT specialties in dental systems and prepress systems - but the printing industry is dying.

     

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    I'm not picky so I'll go along with whatever you guys decide and I'll take 2.  Davie

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    I'm in the non-AA/14500 wagon too.

    1. Maximum reasonable price: 25$-30$
    2. LED type: XML
    3. Mode arrangement: Hi-Med-low and a hidden fast strobe-slow stobe-Hi/low blink each 3 seconds beacon
    4. Mode memory? No.
    5. 1x18650 or 1x16340 protected.
    6. LED tint: as long as it isn't blue or green, anything will do.
    7. Clickie and tailstands.

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    1. Maximum reasonable price: 20$
    2. LED type: XPG
    3. Mode arrangement: Hi-Med-low-ultralow-strobe
    4. Mode memory? No.
    5. AAA and 10440 protected compatible
    6. LED tint: as long as it isn't blue or green, anything will do.
    7. Clickie and tailstands.

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    1/ Nothing against AA only , if its bright enough with a AA 

    2/ No flashy modes 

    3/ Modes ?  3 or 4 ...

    4/ Black tail cap , I have grown to dislike the green ones for some reason ..

    5/A clip ?  [ belt clip ] 

    6/ Budget light ? [ $20 or less ] 

    7/ Emitter ?  XP-E R5 ?   , XP-G S2 , XM-L T5 or T6 , but do we want to drive up the price with a swish emitter ?

    But honestly , a nice 3 mode AA with a nice emitter , Lo - 5 to 10 lumen is fine - Med - 30 - 50 lumen - high 100+  [ and why not regulated for constant output , ok may cost a little more , but 100L regulated output would be nice ] 

    Anyways , a good solid light , does not need to be trick , just needs to be honest , and deliver on the small print . 

    Sorry , mode memory = Hell yes please ....  

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    On a side note, I love 'compact'. I love very small AA's (the BLF mr.lite was too big in my eyes for a AA light). I also love very small (non p60) 18650 lights. 

     

    If it comes down to it, I would like a 'compact' light, no flashy modes, and of good, reliable, durable build and quality. Easy as that. 

     

    For example, I absolutely love this Nitecore EZAA xpg-R5, with the twisty switch, ramping modes, and simple clean design. 

    http://goinggear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14_44&produc...

     

    If there was something more budget along those lines, I'd be on it in a heartbeat!

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    I'd like to keep it under $20 and since I already have the AA/14500 BLF-Y4E, I'd like a CR123A or compact 18650 light (compact 18650 with a XML at 2A could work). Could go AAA if need be, but then less than $15. Something with ramping and memory would be cool. I'd like to get a XP-G as warm/neutral as a R4 will go, but not green. 3 modes is fine, 2 would be even better.

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    Frankly a simple XP-G with low-mid-high mode I can easy buy anywhere. A real BLF light must be somehow different than what's currently availible. It should not be to expensive. It must sell easy (otherwise the vendor will not play the game).

    I suggest:

    - real HA-III (grey, like the TR-801 or sand coloured, like the solarforce would be nice)

    - XM-L

    - SMO reflector, as throwy as it gets

    - it's ok for me, if it's 14500 only

    - ramping modes (because a low-mid-high light I could make myself)

    - 25 $ max

     

     

     

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    Hehe... interesting voting choices. Funny thing is, I still have two more BLF Delights sitting here on my desk just itching for some love...which got me to thinking:

    -Something the size of the BLF Delight

    - XM-L T6 - seems to be a great tint

    - Potential for 1.4 amp max (non-continous use).  Should net @ 400LM

    - 14500's, but  could use alkaline in an emergency (due to driver constraints, output would be low only)

    - Modes: 1 lumen, 60 lumen, 400 lumen.  For me, those settings would cover any situation.  Most lights have mode spacing too close.

    - Best to use a TIR lens to allow larger heatsink, and if properly made gives a dead sexy beam pattern.

    - Removeable pocket clip.

     

    Sad thing is, other than a driver, I have the parts to assemble that light now.  

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    I'm all for the variable output. I have a bunch of flashlight with modes already. Cannot be that expensive considering DX sells such dropin for not much of a premium compared to standard one:

    http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cree-xr-e-r2-wc-5-mode-250-lumen-led-drop-i... - classic

    http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cree-r2-wc-3-mode-0-100-led-drop-in-module-... <- variable

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    I think if you make a D-10 light with the original u.i. you steal every hard core nitecore lover from nitecore ,sunwayman ,jetbeam and everyone else who's trying to push the selector ring idea .

    I think the answer is side button like the klarus ..and then lego the tail & heads ,and put the  driver and switch together ..3 piece lego . then ask the user what he wants . Mix a D-10 with a solarforce drop the drop-in idea for a new head built right... Next .. colors .

    What do u want xml aa ramping ?   fine 48$..what in pink ?? easy   59.95$

    BLF light

    3 mode...5/40/200 should drop the 4 mode idea unless it's an xml   5/40/175/450

    a decent 50/50 mix of  flood and throw

    the original BLF light was way too slick ,and too big  if it's a AA I prefer like the eastward ,smaller with great knurling .keep the same tint as the original blf light it is super sweet, but kill the rings ..

    I'm not a huge 14500 fan i'd take a light that was brighter but had no 14500 capability ..want bright grab another light , we are designing a light for us not the general public .

    ramping of course  or 3 mode memory

    removable clip , no flat spots on the body ,Small tastful logo  not tacky like" him and her " on the mr.lites.

     eastward Grey ,Olive drab ,nitecore brown or grey , something better than black or silver ..

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    Budgeteer wrote:

    I'm all for the variable output. I have a bunch of flashlight with modes already. Cannot be that expensive considering DX sells such dropin for not much of a premium compared to standard one:

    http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cree-xr-e-r2-wc-5-mode-250-lumen-led-drop-i... - classic

    http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cree-r2-wc-3-mode-0-100-led-drop-in-module-... <- variable

    Got 2 of those myself , [ the ramping drop in ] , there so nice I decided it was time for a 2nd before they vanish from DX , just waiting on the new host , so I can do a review of the Drop in + host . 

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    I would prefer something a little out of the ordinary, a AA/14500 powered XM-L fits that quite nicely.

    1. Price: $40 is about my limit.
    2. LED type: XM-L driven to be very bright...in a none melty kind of way.
    3. Mode arrangement: Idealy ramping 1-100% or like the previous light with a nice range starting from very, very low.
    4. Mode memory: It would be nice if it rememebered the % on the ramping driver, but I'm not bothered too much.
    5. NiMH and 14500 support: Either is fine.
    6. LED tint: White...really as long as it's not overtly off coloured then I'm not bothered about the tint.
    7. Colour: Are you sure you want black? All other lights are black...They do a nice red <hint hint> although I would kill for a nice dark purple Smile
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    Mmm... XM-L with super deep reflector... Tongue out [drolling]

    And what about a good zoom to throw XM-L light? 

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    There are very few AA XML lights out. I can't think of any. I would love a 1xAA light with a XML.

     

    1. Maybe $35
    2. XML
    3. No flashy
    4. Yes
    5. NiMH for sure
    6. don't care much
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    Newbie here. Been lurking for a while but have to chime in on this one.

    If it's to be a AA light then I think an XM-L is wasted on it. AA can't support the current to properly exploit an XM-L.

    No strong preferences on the actual light. But as some others have said, it would be nice if the light had some unusual if not unique characteristics. Ramping sort of qualifies. I like the idea of a compact 18650 light, and I hope that what ever it turns out to be it will be well built.

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    Aloha and welcome to BLF photon1k!

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    Welcome photon1k.  I initially thought the same thing as you, that an xm-l would be wasted on a AA light.  But consider that if one wants a single AA floody light with great tint, then an xm-l makes perfect sense.  It doesn't cost much more than an xp-g, runs cooler, and puts out more light...even at 1 amp

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    mizjif wrote:

    On a side note, I love 'compact'. I love very small AA's (the BLF mr.lite was too big in my eyes for a AA light). 

    Me too! The potential host is slightly smaller than the Akoray K-106 / Trustfire F20. I think that's fairly compact, although it's not as incredibly compact as, say, the Ultrafire UF-H2.

    Oldienea wrote:

    Frankly a simple XP-G with low-mid-high mode I can easy buy anywhere. A real BLF light must be somehow different than what's currently availible. It should not be to expensive. It must sell easy (otherwise the vendor will not play the game).

    Good point. I just don't know how much the manufacturer would scalp us for exotic mods.

     

     

    So, here's a brief summary of what we're arriving at, based more or less on the majority opinion here:

    1. Price: As low as possible  Smile  We'll just have to ask Manafont for a quote from their supplier based on these next criterion:
    2. LED type: XP-G or XM-L
    3. Mode arrangement: The jury is still out. We'd all love infinitely variable I think, but I suspect this could be really expensive.
    4. Mode memory: Yes, although if we end up with only 3 modes with no strobe instead of infinitely variable I personally don't think it's strictly necessary.
    5. NiMH and 14500 support: Both. Mrlite proved that it can be very bright and efficient with a dual-capable driver.
    6. LED tint: Neutral (5000K?)

     

    So, can anybody suggest an infinitely variable or programmable driver that is affordable and easily available in China? We could maybe suggest this to Manafont, maybe their supplier could use it.

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    You know what I would like? I'd like a multi-mode 1xAA OSRAM light. They're very hard to find.

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    sb56637 wrote:

    You know what I would like? I'd like a multi-mode 1xAA OSRAM light. They're very hard to find.

    It would be interesting, but I don't know how many drivers there are out there for flashlights that are efficient for Osrams.

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    I just noticed that the E09 is different from the E03 in that it does not have the finger grooves. I am really liking this E09 now, but I'd actually like it if we had options on colors it came in. At least just to give us an option other than black if we prefer. 

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    Thanks for the warm welcome everyone.

    Match wrote:

    Welcome photon1k.  I initially thought the same thing as you, that an xm-l would be wasted on a AA light.  But consider that if one wants a single AA floody light with great tint, then an xm-l makes perfect sense.  It doesn't cost much more than an xp-g, runs cooler, and puts out more light...even at 1 amp

    You make good points Match. I have been caught up in the efforts of others to explore the max output the XM-L is capable of, and I forgot that it has other things going for it too. Now that you mention it, I am one of those who like a floody light, dislike green or purple tints and running cooler is always a good thing.Foot in mouth

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