EDIT: worse than I thought "Make" your own UltraFire 18650s!

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EDIT: worse than I thought "Make" your own UltraFire 18650s!

I am posting this as a new forum topic because I discovered this site while researching heat shrink tubing. This site sells “UltraFire” wrappings for 18650s. What this means of course is that there can be no “official” UltraFire” battery. The site sells them for $4.50 for a pack of 150, with 7800 packs available, enough for over 1 million cells.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7829345615

and HERE

It is MUCH worse than I thought. It seems there are sleeves for any battery you can think of UltraFire (all colors and capacities) UranusFire, NCR and even Panasonic!

Also all parts for constructing fake batteries are available to anyone.

Here are some links with my notes. Sorry for the sloppiness, I didn’t want to waste too much time on this. I just think we should all be aware of this. (like we didn’t already know)

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=14126029702&ali_trackid=2:mm_14507416...
generic ICR 18650

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=16878923434&ali_trackid=2:mm_14507416...
black 2200mah UltraFire

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=10225073573&ali_trackid=2:mm_14507416...

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.110.oTotGf&scm=1007.77.0.0&...
many assorted UltraFire

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.107.moguHX&scm=1007.77.0.0&... ultrafire red 3500mah and kingfire

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=10225073573&ali_trackid=2:mm_14507416...

black 3600 white 3000 blue 2200 gold 3000

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.110.ick5wg&scm=1007.77.0.0&...
gold 4000 – my first ever purchase was 2 of these for $10! I didn’t know there is no such capacity

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.122.vwchUF&scm=1007.77.0.0&...

uranusfire 3000 red and white

http://18650brc.taobao.com/search.htm?spm=2013.1.w6.14.ick5wg&scid=39238...

others including NCR and other battery parts

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.0.63.saBKb5&id=12670817495& panasonic 3200mah

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.0.77.saBKb5&id=10193523421& NCR etc

I am convinced that there are a lot of independent contractors that buy components and assemble both lights and batteries from these parts, possibly even in their own homes, from off the shelf parts that are available on the open market. Sort of like the ads we see here in the States for “work at home opportunities”. The vendors (TMart, DX, etc.)probably buy from a central supplier, but the supplier gets their lights from these various assemblers. Right now at TMart the “UltraFire” HD2010 has been replaced by a no-name HD2010. Seems to work the same, according to BLF members that have received them. The parts are pretty much the same but the assembler did not have access to silk screened tubes (“branded” parts). Some members here on BLF assemble there “own” light when they buy a host and a separate drop in.

I have little confidence in the quality of batteries purchased my mail, there is no real way of knowing where they originally came from. All you can do is order from a trusted vendor. But even a good vendor can receive bad stock. Look at what happened to the vendor that put together a special batch of Black Sky Ray Kings.

Bad cells are dangerous, bad flashights are just bad flashlights.

Buyer Beware!

Edited by: dchomak on 11/08/2012 - 22:34
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Very interesting… AND sobering. Thanks, dchomak, for bringing this to our collective attention.

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Nice info. really feel sorry for those people who fall for it. Esp. those who gotten bad lights in the past. Most notably the ones who think their BLF Mini’s have a green tint. Also those how gotten the Direct Drive Skyray Kings etc… Yea it’s only a matter of time before we see the 5500mAh and the 6000mAh Ultrafires.

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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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WOW!!! Are these wrappings have custom labels? I need one with 10,000mAh Collectors’ Edition.

Ignorant buyers = Smart sellers. Wink

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What was wrong with the black skyray kings? It appears everyone seemed happy with them on the thread here.

I ordered one from his new batch and will do a quick review when it comes.

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Wow, I could make some “sleeper Panasonics” wrapping them as Ultrafires Wink

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FMcamaroZ28 wrote:
What was wrong with the black skyray kings? It appears everyone seemed happy with them on the thread here.

I ordered one from his new batch and will do a quick review when it comes.

As I understood it, the first batch wasn’t as good as it should have been. The second batch is better. The point is that the vendors are at the mercy of the suppliers, they too do not always know what they are going to get. Last year I got some C10s that said XM-L on the outside, but were in fact XR-Es. This was from DX. They are huge and even they got bad stock from a supplier.

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CheapThrills wrote:
Wow, I could make some “sleeper Panasonics” wrapping them as Ultrafires Wink

Ha HA. When I was a kid I had a “sleeper” car. 1963 Chevy II (4 door) that I put a 327 in. It looked completely stock.

If you want to get paranoid, do you really know that you have authentic Panasonics? the only way to know is to test the performance. If you can do that, then you can have some peace of mind.

I once ordered 5 Motorola blue tooth ear pieces for our phones from what I thought was a reputable online dealer. What I got was cheap imitations that did not work well enough to use. Side by side they looked like the real deal.

Right now there is a big problem with copied merchandise in the world. There are counterfeit goods everywhere.(sometimes the counterfeits are as good or better that the real deal, usually they are not.) Gucci, Rolex, Apple, etc. They are all being copied.

Is there such a thing as a real UltraFire battery of FlashLight? I think not.

Don’t forget, It is just as easy to print up some TrustFire Flame tubes or KeepPower, or whatever.

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dchomak wrote:
Don't forget, It is just as easy to print up some TrustFire Flame tubes or KeepPower, or whatever.

Yeah, but there are reputable shops and shops where you expect to be scammed with batteries.

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And as the old saying goes, “if it sounds too good to be true …”

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dchomak wrote:
Is there such a thing as a real UltraFire battery of FlashLight? I think not.

Yes. I don’t know about the batteries, but genuine UltraFire lights are of noticeably superior build quality when compared to the array of UltraFire branded products out there that aren’t actually made by them at all. Still budget, and not necessarily great, but better.

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There is a joke about a farmer that had a watermelon patch. He spent all spring and summer working in the field to cultivate watermelons. However as they ripened, he noticed that there was a thief that came in the middle of the each night and stole 1 watermelon. He set up traps, tried staying up all night to catch the thief. Nothing worked. One day he had a great idea, he made a big sign at put it in the patch. It read “DANGER, one of these watermelons is poisoned” He went to bed that night and slept well, thinking surely no one would risk stealing the poisoned melon. He woke up the next morning and sure enough, no water melon had been stolen. However he was horrified to notice that someone had added to sign “now there are two”.

The moral is that if you can’t tell the real from the counterfeit, then you must assume counterfeit.

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I think this is a huge discovery,and a ridiculous show of stupidity.Any one can buy these and put bunk cells in them and pawn them off as new.It makes you wonder if the one you have or had isn't a salvaged battery in a new wrapper.You could probably see this just encourages scammers and is even another reason to stay away from these batteries.

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I may order some for my scavenged batteries. Silly I had been planning on getting some heatshrink but I might as well make them Ultrafire. Silly

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scaru wrote:

I may order some for my scavenged batteries. Silly I had been planning on getting some heatshrink but I might as well make them Ultrafire. Silly


At a good price?
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I did a search for “fake batteries and people are complaining of fake batteries in all kinds of forums for many hobbies and activities that use Li-Ion cells. We are not alone. RC enthusiasts, ecig users etc.

I also have found many other sleeves for other brands and other battery parts for rolling your own, possibly from recycled cells. Even NCR and Panasonic. I have edited my first post and included many more links.

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Ordering 10 of the NCR18650 ones. Big Smile I will post up pictures when (if) they arrive. 

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I have send numerous emails to different eBay sellers of 18650 batteries.
All with ‘…..Fire’ in their brandname of batteries.

I’ve told them that I was very concerned about explosive batteries…
Could the seller guarantee that his battery was safe?

This is one of the answers I got back this night…

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“Thanks for your message.
Oh, i am so sorry for you, I understand you.* I am
not sure that they will exploding when you use it.* But i have sold so many
many, there was not any customer report said it is exploding. So i believe
it is safe. But my friend, if you are a little worry about it, i suggested
that you could purchase in your location. I think it will more safe. Do you
agree?

Kind regards!
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Wow, it’s scary to see that trustable brand (Panasonic) labels are getting faked too.
I’m trying to make it safe for myself (I test every cell ‘on arrival’), but some users who rely on label might get deceived this way. :/

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dchomak wrote:
I did a search for “fake batteries and people are complaining of fake batteries in all kinds of forums for many hobbies and activities that use Li-Ion cells. We are not alone. RC enthusiasts, ecig users etc.

I also have found many other sleeves for other brands and other battery parts for rolling your own, possibly from recycled cells. Even NCR and Panasonic. I have edited my first post and included many more links.

eBay is selling potentially dangerous goods.
Has anyone informed them about the dangers of fake 18650 batteries?

Is it possible to organise some kind of platform to make eBay ban the 18650 sellers, who can’t prove that their product is genuine new and safe?
Something like www.18650Dangers.com?

If there are so much more people who are complaining about the Chinese 18650 Fraud, then it must be possible to put the pressure on eBay.

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DutchLight wrote:
dchomak wrote:
I did a search for “fake batteries and people are complaining of fake batteries in all kinds of forums for many hobbies and activities that use Li-Ion cells. We are not alone. RC enthusiasts, ecig users etc.

I also have found many other sleeves for other brands and other battery parts for rolling your own, possibly from recycled cells. Even NCR and Panasonic. I have edited my first post and included many more links.

eBay is selling potentially dangerous goods.
Has anyone informed them about the dangers of fake 18650 batteries?

Is it possible to organise some kind of platform to make eBay ban the 18650 sellers, who can’t prove that their product is genuine new and safe?
Something like www.18650Dangers.com?

If there are so much more people who are complaining about the Chinese 18650 Fraud, then it must be possible to put the pressure on eBay.

It’s funny, when I first saw a label with NCR on it, in my ignorance, I thought it stood for National Cash Resister (NCR)

It all comes down to trusted sellers. We do the same when we go to a restaurant to eat. We could get all worked up worrying about sanitary conditions, food spoilage etc. But instead we trust the operator and food service workers to be knowledgeable and understand the potential dangers of serving bad food.
Same goes with buying batteries. We need to buy from vendors that know and understand the risks of buying and selling bad Li-ion cells.

In the U.S. there are lawyers everywhere, and people are sue happy. I hesitate to gift Li-ion flashlights because of the potential risks to the recipient AND giver. These EBay sellers that sell Li-ion batteries are incurring a huge exposure to risk and a lawsuit if something ever goes wrong, especially if they are selling from the U.S. To me it unthinkable. I only charge my cells in the car, because if something goes wrong, it’s just the car. I have left the house several times with cells in the house charger and turned around to remove them because I was uncomfortable leaving them in. The reality is that any seller of Li-ion cells has, in effect, cells charging in homes all over the world. How do they sleep at night?

We should only buy from trusted sellers that have done their due diligence and are selling good and safe cells. That is one reason why they are entitled to a profit.

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I think I may stick with Trustfire Flames with the hologram labels. Much more expensive to produce heatshrink with the hologram and these type of counterfeiters dont want to bother with that extra investment. All the other brands are easy to clone.

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DutchLight wrote:
Something like www.18650Dangers.com?

batteryfraud.org might be better . . encourages trusted sellers and doesn’t discourage 18650s.

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GottaZoom wrote:
DutchLight wrote:
Something like www.18650Dangers.com?

batteryfraud.org might be better . . encourages trusted sellers and doesn’t discourage 18650s.

You’re totally right!
It would be a good thing if we can do something about this fraud.

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JohnnyMac wrote:

I think I may stick with Trustfire Flames with the hologram labels. Much more expensive to produce heatshrink with the hologram and these type of counterfeiters dont want to bother with that extra investment. All the other brands are easy to clone.


I’m going to stick with Panny cells from trusted vendors, Kuma, CNQG, eFest etc. Just like the extra capacity.
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JohnnyMac wrote:

I think I may stick with Trustfire Flames with the hologram labels. Much more expensive to produce heatshrink with the hologram and these type of counterfeiters dont want to bother with that extra investment. All the other brands are easy to clone.


+1

I thought of this when the TrustFire 3000s came out and stuck with them for that very reason. Too “costly” (I hope) to get hologram wraps. Also, I don’t know if anybody else noticed or not, but TrustFire has been putting a second small hologram sticker on the outside of the double pack shrink wrap as a backup measure.

I bet they were pretty upset that they lost customers due to the fakes out there.

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NZ Shooter wrote:
I’ve been reading this and many other posts with great interest. Has anyone come across, or heard of fake Sanyo 18650’s ?? Nothing I’ve read mentions Sanyo as a potential de-frauded brand……or is there something I’ve missed??
I haven’t seen any but given the ease of making the labels, and the widespread counterfeiting of brands, I would assume Sanyo deals that were too good to be true… are.
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dchomak wrote:
There is a joke about a farmer that had a watermelon patch. He spent all spring and summer working in the field to cultivate watermelons. However as they ripened, he noticed that there was a thief that came in the middle of the each night and stole 1 watermelon. He set up traps, tried staying up all night to catch the thief. Nothing worked. One day he had a great idea, he made a big sign at put it in the patch. It read "DANGER, *one* of these watermelons is poisoned" He went to bed that night and slept well, thinking surely no one would risk stealing the poisoned melon. He woke up the next morning and sure enough, no water melon had been stolen. However he was horrified to notice that someone had added to sign "*now there are two"*. The moral is that if you can't tell the real from the counterfeit, then you must assume counterfeit.

 How does the thief know that he didn't poison the same watermelon as the owner ??.

..maybe there is only one poisoned watermelon.

  

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Boaz wrote:

How does the thief know that he didn’t poison the same watermelon as the owner ??. ..maybe there is only one poisoned watermelon.

That is the whole point, The farmer made the patch worthless to the thief, and the thief made the whole patch worthless to the farmer. Even if there are NO poisoned watermelons, the entire patch has no value!

It doesn’t matter is there is two or only one, or even none. The whole patch is No Good.

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NO wonder batteryjunction sells only ultrafire rechargeable 18650’s, etc…I’ve always wondered why a place like Batteryjunction would only sell el cheapo rechargeable lithium ions. Makes perfect sense now. When I was new, I bought a few ultrafire, and tenergy, 18650’s from them. Some of them turned out to be complete junk. Worse yet, their return policy was horrible on these items.

Needless to say, I buy only AW, Callies Kustoms, etc..Now…

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