Review: BTU Shocker (3 x XM-L T6 NW | 3 x 18650)

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ryansoh3 wrote:
So… the light doesn’t have an AR lens, contrary to its advertisement?

As far as most owners think, no. I can not detect any coating myself. And my testing without the lens increased about 120otf on weak batteries. So if its an AR lens, its a poor one. With an AR lens this light will do the full 3000otf after 30sec.
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rdrfronty wrote:
Relic, you have any details on the doing the resistor mods. I assume that’s what dale did to his, but just don’t know much about it. If I can get the XM-L2’s on copper sink pads, they should be about to safely handle a little more amps before getting to hot. 4.2A or so would be killer!
And if you do the resistor mod, do you think it will do the little step down like you have observed?

I forget what I seen when I was in there. I might have posted about it somewhere. I suspect the minor amount of sag is driver temperature related. It takes about 60 seconds or so to stabilize.
It has nothing to do with batteries; I tested it on a bench power supply.
When I get to the point of doing a mod I’ll be picking a final turbo current, and using a resistor mod that gives me that current after 60 seconds. The initial 200-300mA of extra punch while cold should not be an issue. I’ll also document it so others can know what I did and decide if it’s what they want to do. i still need to order emitters though…

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I wouldn't mind have a stock BTU and then another one that I could do some fun mods on.

^this!!

I was planning to mod my BTU, but after using it in light painting a castle I decided to keep it as stock. It's a great "brush" for light painting large objects which are far away.

But I still want to mod it with some de-domed high bin XM-L2s on copper.. So buying another starts to sound good. But then again, having two stock BTUs would be even better for some light painting situations -> do I really need three of them? Wink

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rdrfronty wrote:
I wouldn’t mind have a stock BTU and then another one that I could do some fun mods on.

^this!!

I was planning to mod my BTU, but after using it in light painting a castle I decided to keep it as stock. It’s a great “brush” for light painting large objects which are far away.

But I still want to mod it with some de-domed high bin XM-L2s on copper.. So buying another starts to sound good. But then again, having two stock BTUs would be even better for some light painting situations -> do I really need three of them? Wink


Now that’s a very cool, but expensive way of thinking. I still don’t understand the negative view many have on this light. Playing with a 700m, 3000 lumen light IS impressive. If one is not impressed with that, I just don’t understand why they are in this hobby.
Anyway, another $120 BTU to keep stock, sounds sweeter by the day.
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Wow! Great service from Ric/Fancyflashlights.com.

I ordered my BTU on March 1, 2013, and it arrived March 7, 2013, to California via Fed Ex! As far as I’m concerned I paid 100.00 for the light and $20.00 for expedited shipping. VERY IMPRESSIVE!

Oh, and the light is outstanding! Solid design with a nice retro feel. I didn’t have a chance to try it out last night because I need to charge my cells but I will tonight. Indoors during the day it’s still a beast!

None of my holsters fit it, unfortunately. I’ll have to find one online.

I’ll compare it with my Jetbeam DDR30 when I can.

I highly recommend it!

My name is indy, and I've been a flashaholic since 2004.

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rdrfronty wrote:
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rdrfronty wrote:
I wouldn’t mind have a stock BTU and then another one that I could do some fun mods on.

^this!!

I was planning to mod my BTU, but after using it in light painting a castle I decided to keep it as stock. It’s a great “brush” for light painting large objects which are far away.

But I still want to mod it with some de-domed high bin XM-L2s on copper.. So buying another starts to sound good. But then again, having two stock BTUs would be even better for some light painting situations -> do I really need three of them? Wink

Now that’s a very cool, but expensive way of thinking. I still don’t understand the negative view many have on this light. Playing with a 700m, 3000 lumen light IS impressive. If one is not impressed with that, I just don’t understand why they are in this hobby. Anyway, another $120 BTU to keep stock, sounds sweeter by the day.

From a neutral viewpoint, not got one myself, but have seen one alongside a TK70 in action and they were both indeed impressive, but for me the form factor of both of them does not fit in with my present preferences.

My concern with the shocker at the time wasn’t with the performance but in closeup a light that at the time was £120 odd quid, would then be for a uker an extra £24 vat plus the iniquitous PO charging £8 to collect the vat, that would make the shocker about £8 less then I could get a TK75 over here. And I am sorry to say the build quality did not match that price. Now though the price would be around the £105 mark and that certainly moves it up the approval list.

Like most things the hate is proportional to the loving, you can’t take the tribe/team out of human beings.

The views in this post are mine, they are views and beliefs only, and not to be taken as facts.

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 changed the led to xml u3 now and am satisfied with the btu output.got no light meter but i think its way above 3000 lumens .i can see the diffrence.I think 3 u3 driven at 3.8 amps should give around 3500 lumens???? ! AND I USED A SILVER ARTIC THERMAL PASTE . now the whole light feels warm within minutes on turbo .I guess that means heat is getting transferred from the leds better then what the fujic stuff did . iused the 20mm star since it was cheaper then the 16mm for some reason

bought the u3 from fasstech https://www.fasttech.com/products/1189702 


 

thought it would be easy breezyy . unfortunately i got into trouble early on! Now the previous star was 16mm and was stuck with fujic .I desoldered  the wires first  ,used a long nose to "twist" the star and the fujic glue let go . the u3 i used has 20mm star . soldered them in series . plugged them onto the reflector .i had earlier desoldered the positive/negative wires from the driver .  and then  spread some silver arctic thermal paste

 .inserted the 2 wires in through the second hole and slowly placed reflector and the emmiters kept popping out that. so i mixed a bit of epoxy locktite e-60hp and placed tiny amouts on he edges of the star so its remains in position fitted onto the reflector as i lowered in onto its seat.it works nicely

.once it was seated i marked on the reflector and then on the head as an "alignment" point thing so that when i screw the the reflector ,it does not move side ways. i screwed the reflector real tight to make a tight contact between the emmiter star and its base then soldered on the driver .all this took me about an hour .i used my 40 watt soldering iron since its a pain to melt the solder on the star while its seated on the aluminum. 

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looks like the $50 coupon is gone…just waited a bit too long. Price on the other website is down to $120, I think. Unlike others, emailed queries to Rick were never answered…no sale ensued. Disappointed some.

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I likened torchlight buying to a hunt in the woods. Firstly I take stock of what is available and then zero in on the target I am after. Then I will observe its habits and characteristics, before taking down the prey.

Stocking the prey:
I’m liking the direction the BTU is taking.
1st, the U3 mod and the extra lumens, then the AR lens, and later the copper sinkpads + whatever.

Then I wait to pounce:
That will be equivalent to a predetermined price drop that I set.

What’s really good about the BTU now?
Firstly the heft (heat sinking capabilities) – allows for continuous 2000+ lumens without having to step down and without undue overheating. Not many lights can do this. It is my main requirement.
Then the 700m throw and the 3000+ turbo lumens after modding put this into the super torch category.

Putting the lights together – a left, right combination:
1. Two BTUs – one on each hand – alternating on turbo – when 1 steps down, the other steps up. Minimising the heat issue with 5000+ lumens of light play.

2. BTU and one flood light combo (TM26 / TN30 / S6330 / TK75 / whatever) – this is my way of lighting up the night in one fall sweep.

I am so used to having 2 multi emitters on at one time while ‘woodstalking’ that it has become something to look forward to.

So the hunting game is on and I am stalking some of these lights.

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ZT wrote:
I likened torchlight buying to a hunt in the woods. Firstly I take stock of what is available and then zero in on the target I am after. Then I will observe its habits and characteristics, before taking down the prey. Stocking the prey: I'm liking the direction the BTU is taking. 1st, the U3 mod and the extra lumens, then the AR lens, and later the copper sinkpads + whatever. Then I wait to pounce: That will be equivalent to a predetermined price drop that I set. What's really good about the BTU now? Firstly the heft (heat sinking capabilities) - allows for continuous 2000+ lumens without having to step down and without undue overheating. Not many lights can do this. It is my main requirement. Then the 700m throw and the 3000+ turbo lumens after modding put this into the super torch category. Putting the lights together - a left, right combination: 1. Two BTUs - one on each hand - alternating on turbo - when 1 steps down, the other steps up. Minimising the heat issue with 5000+ lumens of light play. 2. BTU and one flood light combo (TM26 / TN30 / S6330 / TK75 / whatever) - this is my way of lighting up the night in one fall sweep. I am so used to having 2 multi emitters on at one time while 'woodstalking' that it has become something to look forward to. So the hunting game is on and I am stalking some of these lights.

zt you are karzeeeeeeeeLaughing

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Oh damn…. $120 is so tempting. If it was $100 I would definitely pull the trigger but for $120 I’m on the fence. Going to have to think about this one. I already have a Skyray STL-V2 and a modded 55W HID Thor… but this would be a great balance light in terms of portability and power between them.

Anyone know how does Ric declare the package when he ships it? Does he declare the real value ?

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smodtactical wrote:
Oh damn.... $120 is so tempting. If it was $100 I would definitely pull the trigger but for $120 I'm on the fence. Going to have to think about this one. I already have a Skyray STL-V2 and a modded 55W HID Thor... but this would be a great balance light in terms of portability and power between them. Anyone know how does Ric declare the package when he ships it? Does he declare the real value ?

Well it weighs half a Ton.Customs gets real facinated by it. No matter what he declares 

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Declared $35 on mine. It came FedEx; no duty, just HST (tax) for me. FedEx charged a $10 brokerage, which I’m calling them on. If they wanted me to pay that, they should not have delivered the package first.. Wink

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relic38 wrote:
Declared $35 on mine. It came FedEx; no duty, just HST (tax) for me. FedEx charged a $10 brokerage, which I’m calling them on. If they wanted me to pay that, they should not have delivered the package first.. Wink

That $10 fee is fucking BS. Its supposed to be free shipping. Screw fedex.

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smodtactical wrote:
Oh damn…. $120 is so tempting. If it was $100 I would definitely pull the trigger but for $120 I’m on the fence. Going to have to think about this one. I already have a Skyray STL-V2 and a modded 55W HID Thor… but this would be a great balance light in terms of portability and power between them. Anyone know how does Ric declare the package when he ships it? Does he declare the real value ?

Well it weighs half a Ton.Customs gets real facinated by it. No matter what he declares 

Thats fine… the issue is just what will they charge. I mean if he declares is like $35 as relic says they can’t charge much. If however he puts down $120… then get ready for any deal to be destroyed by border fees.

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Send him an email right after ordering. Someone else did that (FlashPilot maybe?) and had their shipping changed to avoid FedEx charges. I’m sure you can check the value he declares as well.

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I talked to Ric and he said that if you use registered mail there won’t be any extra charges but it will take longer than FedEx which is fine with me.

I sent him my money about 6 hours ago but he still hasn’t responded (when before he was responding within 20 mins to every email I sent). Getting a bit nervous.

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the, I am using your line of thinking to try and swing my first BTU, you are working/thinking on a third?! Sweet!

Do you mind if I show my wife your post? This way I can come off as a model of moderation…?! After missing out on the coupon deal, I bought a BS Terminator which I am quite taken with…but still the BTU is lurking large on my ‘need’ radar…

By, the way, the light painting, do more, please! There is a small valley in CA, that would look very nice w some of your efforts at night. And you wouldn’t have to worry about sneaking around after hours either. There would be a few climbers and bears you’d have to be careful to step over, though.

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Hey guys, Ric is trustworthy right? Hes not going to take my money and run is he? He told me to send the money to the paypal account hkrs0512@gmail.com yesterday. I hope he will contact me today because before I sent him the payment he was responding to my emails quite fast.

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I’ve dealt with him several times now. I would trust doing what you just did for sure.

And if not, paypal has your back for 45 days.

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You think paypal will? Because I didn’t officially buy through his store… but I did select that I’m paying for goods and wrote the goods in the comment. Also I have the emails he sent me about the transaction.

I think we will know tonight EST since its still the middle of the night/early morning in China.

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I have an email or two plus an order in with Ric. I haven’t heard from him in a while… I’ll wait. So far he has always replied eventually.

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I have an email or two plus an order in with Ric. I haven’t heard from him in a while… I’ll wait. So far he has always replied eventually.

When did you send him the money for your orders?

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Last week. This is my $50 coupon order, I paid $9 remainder. Not sure what the holdup is, as I have not got responses in that time.

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Last week. This is my $50 coupon order, I paid $9 remainder. Not sure what the holdup is, as I have not got responses in that time.

That really sucks, Ric was emailing me yesterday when I had questions. Maybe try to email him again?

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Yes paypal has your back for 45 days, even through personal transactions.

That’s why when you choose “goods” it takes a percentage off the seller.

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I sent one this morning or last night, I forget. Emailing Ric has been hit-or-miss for me so far. Sometimes I get a response the next day, sometimes not at all. Based on everyone else’s reports of great service, that surprised me.

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I got my BTU today it came FedEx even though I asked him to send it through regular mail and he agreed. He even tossed in a free DRY driver because shipping was cheaper with regular mail. Oh well if FedEx tries to send me a bill I will tell them to send it to Ric. I didn’t contract with them in any way at all.

I will say that it’s a heck of a light. It is HEAVY. I can absolutely see using the lanyard as a handle if I’m walking a long way. I got the CW with the U2’s for $120. I talked him into a $20 store credit. I bought a Black XIAOZHI NW and a 16340 TF flame for the $20 credit plus the free Dry driver and 3-5 day shipping. So really the BTU was only $95 with free expedited shipping.

I am 100% satisfied.

Ps. I also paid with the paypal e-mail and had no problems.

I’m a junky, I mod lights so I can sell lights so I can buy more light to mod so I can sell lights to buy more lights to mod.

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18sixfifty wrote:
I got my BTU today it came FedEx even though I asked him to send it through regular mail and he agreed. He even tossed in a free DRY driver because shipping was cheaper with regular mail. Oh well if FedEx tries to send me a bill I will tell them to send it to Ric. I didn’t contract with them in any way at all.

I will say that it’s a heck of a light. It is HEAVY. I can absolutely see using the lanyard as a handle if I’m walking a long way. I got the CW with the U2’s for $120. I talked him into a $20 store credit. I bought a Black XIAOZHI NW and a 16340 TF flame for the $20 credit plus the free Dry driver and 3-5 day shipping. So really the BTU was only $95 with free expedited shipping.

I am 100% satisfied.

Ps. I also paid with the paypal e-mail and had no problems.

How long did he take to send you the invoice once you sent him the money?

Seems like you got a great deal! What do you think about the light’s performance and build quality?

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Congrats on your BTU 18sixfifty, it’s an excellent light. My second order contains a Xiaozhi as well as a Balder SE-1… too bad it has sat idle for this long though.. Sad
For those concerned about their orders, I looked back at the emails:
Mar 3 – Order placed. Could not apply coupon code, so placed order without paying
Mar 3 – Using the send message system on the order page, sent a message indicating I wanted to use the coupon on this order (EDIT, forgot this)
Mar 4 – Email from CNQG asking about unpaid order.
Mar 4 – I Replied asking how to apply coupon code
Mar 7 – I replied again to follow up. (double-checked; accidentally replied to myself; Doh!)
Mar 11 – Email from Ric indicating the order has coupon applied, I can pay balance now and email him when I have paid.
Mar 11 – Balance paid via Paypal, email sent to Ric.
Mar 18 – Email sent to Ric asking for a status update.
So far, no update via email or on the FFL web site.
I’m disappointed in the response times, especially as others are getting quick responses all the while. I’m at a loss to understand it.
For me, the key to great service is responding in a timely fashion. Even if it’s just to say, “sorry I’ve been away”, “waiting on SKU XXXX”, “My dog ate it”, whatever. It’s the response time that tells me someone is serious about their business. Looking at the CNQG rating thread (could not find a FFL thread), one of the negatives is “Reports of poor communication with buyers”. I think this fits into that category.
Anyway, I’ll still wait as I have no other way to reach Ric (he has three different emails, kind of confusing). Actually, I have to wait; $50 of the $59 in this order is from my completed BTU order.

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I didn’t get an invoice. He just sent the light. As far as build it’s a rock. Other than a smudge on the lens it was 100% perfect. It is very bright inside but I haven’t gotten to take it out in the dark yet.

I’m a junky, I mod lights so I can sell lights so I can buy more light to mod so I can sell lights to buy more lights to mod.

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