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sweefu wrote:

I go an email from them today, telling me they are going to resend the knife, and asking me to pay an aditional $1.70 for registered mail (which I did).

Did you get a shipping notification email that didn't contain a tracking number?

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Budgeteer wrote:

Aren't you concerend about UK laws rgarding cold weapons?

With the exception of - Automatic Openers (Flick-knives); Out-the-front/Gravity Knives; Butterfly knives; Concealed Knives, such as those hidden in a pen or belt buckle and Thrust Daggers where the blade protrudes between the fingers, in the UK we are pretty much allowed to own any knife we want.

It is the carrying of a knife in public places that is illegal without "good reason".  That includes carrying them in our vehicles.

There is an exception - We can carry in a public place without very good reason (i.e. carry as an edc) a folder with a blade of less that 76mm that does not lock (i.e. its slip-joints only here).

So in reality we can own pretty much most of the Elan, Navy or Sanrenmu ranges, at home, but just about the only reasonably sized Sanrenmu we could carry as an edc would be the AO-H02.

Personally I just wish that Sanrenmu would make a similar knife/copy of the the Boker Plus Trance 42.   Its a decent non-locker but at almost 60usd is far too expensive to my mind. 

 

 

 

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After a long drawn out online paypal dispute and several unanswered emails from the crooks at discoverybargain, I called paypal and spoke to one of their reps. The US paypal phone number is 402-935-7733 for those that cant locate it. It turns out that there is a loop-hold for knives purchased from China. I was told that since knives are considered weapons, it is illegal to ship them to China. Yeah, I know thats VERY hard to believe. Since I couldnt ship my order back, I was given a 100% refund for the entire order, not just the missing item. The amount was withdrawn from DB's paypal account and credited back to my account and they now have no recourse.

Result for extremely poor customer service: DB is out just short of $100 and I have most of my knives. Id be happy to have simply avoided all the time involved had DB simply refund the amount due me. They even lied on the PP dispute and I was able to prove their lies. I also told the PP rep about all the similar problems others had with DB from reading comments on various forums and she concurred. Per my suggestion, an escalation has been created for PP's business investigations team and will likely result in PP severing their relationship with DB. I will NEVER do business with that bullshit company again.

As for those that have had good luck with DB, Im very happy to hear that, but its probably only a matter of time before they try to screw you too... as they have done to many many others in the past.

Good luck to the rest of you who enjoy playing Russian Roulette.Yell

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That's pretty funny you can't send knives to China, but they can send them here. I think one thing that really hurt DB initially was they had a bug in their software where they weren't putting complete address labels on their shipments. But my last two orders have been just fine. I got my three SRM 763's today (2 for a friend and one to give away).

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I never did get the 4 knives ($45) I ordered in april.  I gave them the benefit of the doubt and went past my 45 days (paypal) and I got screwed. 

 

So Discovery Bargain gets 2 thumbs down

 

and 2 middle fingers up from me.

 

 

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With the amount of money you spend on knives, they are absolutely insane not to try to make you happy. I wonder if they realize that? Sorry to hear about this. They are definitely on my questionable list and I wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt on anything.

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As I mentioned prior, their customer service scores ZERO in taking care of its customers and fulfilling lost orders. They have lost me permanently as a customer as well as at least a thousand US dollars in revenue. I spent it elsewhere on knives. AVOID THESE THIEFS AT ALL COST!!!!!

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I'm not exactly sure how, but my latest order from DB somehow found it's way to Vancouver, BC, Canada (wrong country, but still, thanks for sending it to someone who could make sense of the correct address on the label), before someone in Canada's customs service helpfully send it on to me.

As far as I can see, this is entirely HKP's fault since DB put my address on the label, so I'm not blaming them but I can see why so much stuff gets lost on the way to the intended recipient.

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I just tried to go to their website http://www.discoverybargain.com/ and it will not open. Is this usual or am I to expect the worst?

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juhha wrote:

 Cons:

  • Slow shipping. Usually takes 40-50 days to items arriving to Europe.(only one case of fast shipping to Germany)

Ordered 21.9.2011 and package was sent about 2 days later. Today (14.10.2011) I received it. So pretty average time from China to me.

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It is not unusual for their website to be down. It usually pops back up again.

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DiscoveryBargain.com is now hotdealings.com.

click to see for yourself:  www.discoverybargain.com

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At first glance, I dont see any pricing differences. Do you?

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You're right, FlashPilot; the prices are the same.  Which reminds me, a couple weeks ago I noticed that DB had two different prices for the Ganzo G704.  Here are the two HotDealings links:

$17.90 http://www.hotdealings.com/product/HT004567S/Ganzo_Folding_Knife_-_G704_(Silver)_31098.html

$15.99 http://www.hotdealings.com/product/HT00474S/Ganzo_Folding_Knife_-_G704_(Silver)_31098.html

I haven't ordered either one, but $16 is a decent price for a G704, and I like the one I got from ExDuct.  Also, I don't think that "HotDealings" rolls off the tongue very well.

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I don't think it's a great choice of name either, but I guess that's the reality of doing business in China. Get big enough and sell enough potentially questionable stuff (sex toys, lasers, knives, RE magnets, you name it) and you're bound to have PP disputes roll in before you know it. Add to that their weird way of handling orders, not to mention the pointless address mangling, and you've got some explaining to do. At that point, you can either try to clean up your act or you close up shop, rename the place which isn't a lot of work since they still have the whole shop and backend in place and start over. There are some HK-based shops that have gone through five or six reincarnations because it's easier.

Oh, and about the G704: that could simply be an oversight. Or they're selling the new and the old version but forgot to update the specs.

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I just received a new Ganzo G704 from Exduct. I had my choice of the old or new version. I think it was a dollar more. While it certainly is a cool looking knife, every single SRM and Enlan I own completely blow it away in materials & workmanship. IMO, the 704 is akin to most of the junky knives you'll find at DX or MF... etc. Maybe Enlan will copy it some day and make it what it should have been in the first place.

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I ordered lots of stuff from them and found their service to be reliable.I received everything I ordered from them, faster than DX extreme .Their website leaves much to be desired, and they keep jacking the prices on their popular sellers.Every seller could do better in some ways, but DB gets and OK in my books.

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They have not been able to accept Paypal payments for the last 24 hours.

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Yesterday I ordered a knife from "hotdealings", but wasn't able to pay via PayPal, since their account seems to be suspended.

Today I've noticed that the titlebar didn't say "hotdealings" anymore, but "hoursbuy" ... they've changed their name again, this time to hoursbuying.com.

 

So I went to the new site, was able to log into my HD account and pay for my order.

PayPal accepted the payment, but it says: "The recipient of this payment is unregistered"

 

Well, now I'm curious, how this will go ...

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Maybe it got too "hot" for Discoverybargain and they are changing their name "hourly" now.

I ordered 2 knives from hotdealings and they were tracked to have left HK on 11/11/2011.

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FlashPilot wrote:

I just received a new Ganzo G704 from Exduct. I had my choice of the old or new version. I think it was a dollar more. While it certainly is a cool looking knife, every single SRM and Enlan I own completely blow it away in materials & workmanship. IMO, the 704 is akin to most of the junky knives you'll find at DX or MF... etc. Maybe Enlan will copy it some day and make it what it should have been in the first place.

Is that really true because I have seen many videos on YouTube and read many reviews and I was about to buy Ganzo G704 but after your post I hesitate.

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Others here have commented in other threads that share my observations, and these knives are cheap enough to buy several. My suggestion is to buy a few and compare for yourself. If you dont have a selection of better knives to compare to the G704, you will never know what you are missing.

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Sigh.

They now have a banner at the top of every page that says: "Dear Honored customer, After a long time painful consideration, We decide to accept payment by credit card instead of Paypal, so sorry for inconvenience caused; Besides, in order to bring you the safe purchasing experience, we will install Secure socket layer(SSL) to protect your payment privacy. Wish you happy purchasing on hotdealings.com and thank you for you support in advance.
Yours sincerely
Hotdeailngs team"

I am certainly no fan of Paypal's but at least their website works, which is more than I can say for a lot of other CC processing platforms Chinese sites like to use (Aliexpress, I am looking at you, too). Besides, I really don't feel like spending hours on the phone with my credit card company, just because some random site got compromised.

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Slowly but surely discoverybargain/hotdealings/hoursbuying does deserve an "AVOID"-label. Constant company name change. A system that forgets half the shipping address, sometimes ultra-long shipping times (45+ days) and now the lack of PP buyers protection. Yep... "AVOID" indeed.

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Most of the Navy knives have gone and there is only one model of Enlan listed now.

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Smelly wrote:
Most of the Navy knives have gone and there is only one model of Enlan listed now.

I emailed them about that and they replied that they'd bring all their inventory back eventually, which it seems like they're doing now. Still, I can't say I'm too crazy about ordering from them without Paypal's purchase protection.

If it wasn't for the post office, even more orders of mine would have been lost somewhere between here in HK. Going through Paypal when they go incommunicado (which they tend to do), has been really convenient in those cases. I guess I could still threaten a chargeback and go to my credit company, but in any case, I'd rather not give them my credit card number.

Say what you will about Paypal: I don't like them, but Paypal is pretty convenient. It's just that PP and eBay desperately need competition. When the DOJ is done doing whatever they're doing all day long, maybe they could look into that. Yeah, right...

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I enter the homepage today and could find a lot of Enlans and Navys.

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Seem to be back to hotdealings at least for me. Also their hotdealings site does sort by price (high and low) and new arrivals.

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Oxy Moron wrote:

If it wasn't for the post office, even more orders of mine would have been lost somewhere between here in HK. Going through Paypal when they go incommunicado (which they tend to do), has been really convenient in those cases. I guess I could still threaten a chargeback and go to my credit company, but in any case, I'd rather not give them my credit card number.

Say what you will about Paypal: I don't like them, but Paypal is pretty convenient. It's just that PP and eBay desperately need competition. When the DOJ is done doing whatever they're doing all day long, maybe they could look into that. Yeah, right...

They're processing credit cards directly on their site? Since it mentions they just added SSL I guess so. I agree not something that's wise, at least they could use some generic payment processor even if it's some Chinese one.

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Ordered 4 SRM knives from them on the last/prelast day(19.january GMT+2 European time, past midnight 20.january in Chinese time zone) before Chinese New Year (they had info on their web page that all orders that are paid after 20.january will be shipped on 2.february), got no message from them other but automatic order confirmation from paypal.

On 31.january finally got shipping notice, but lo and behold - only 2 out of 4 knives were being shipped, other 2 marked as "unshipped".

Sent message through hoursbuying web page on 31.january, no answer, sent an email yesterday, lets see if they answer till monday/tuesday.

 And yes, their webpage, just like buyincoins tend to be offline pretty often FFS :D!

If they dont answer back and explain my situation Im gonna wait till 45 day paypal expiration and then file a claim and get my money back, as simple as that Smile

 

So far they had all the knives for the prices Im willing to pay, lets see if I ever received anything from them :D!

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