Fake chargers (XTAR, Nitecore)!!!

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i also have a wp2, but i bought it quite a while ago, back in maybe september? it was ebay and an american seller

it came in a study box, a plastic tray, instructions, charging cable (wall socket and car charger) and 2 spacers

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I actually bought 2 xtar chargers from hkequipment, are those legit or not?

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Just got a reply from my contact with bestvaping, here a transcript is. 

 

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Also, any additional information in regards to who was involved and how to detect a counterfeit would be appreciated.
 
 
20:28:25

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all our charger are not fake, we buy the XTAR charger from XTAR company purchaser, and their purchaser just get from XTAR factory and sell to us, I am sure it is original chargers and we sell for two years, none gave the feedback of they are fake
 
 
 
I'm slightly suspicious that it took her 11 minutes to respond when she had been responding quickly, but over all I think it confirms that they were not the place raided. DD on the other hand. Silly
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[quote=filtt]It is 99% sure that all Xtar products bought from China are fakes. All other sellers than Xtar itself sells fake products because Xtar doesn’t have any retailers in China. This particular video is shooted in bestvaping.net raid.

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Burning wrote:
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It is 99% sure that all Xtar products bought from China are fakes. All other sellers than Xtar itself sells fake products because Xtar doesn’t have any retailers in China. This particular video is shooted in bestvaping.net raid.

+1


filtt, can you point out more information about this raid is indeed happen at bestvaping.net?
I find it hard to believe XTAR don’t have retailers in China, China is such a big market.

cool i'll see you when you get there

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What a brazen bunch of worthless lying hypocrites. Money talks when the correct hands are greased. The extremely limited enforcement in the sale of counterfeit products is mostly there for political appearances. Real enforcement is an impossible endeavor, given that a huge part of China/HK’s economy is based upon it. Many have proudly made it a way of life and most see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Their rules of trade ethics are clearly not in the same league as the rest of the free world. The large scale copy-cats have laughed at national/international copyright infringement laws for years and bragged publicly about their overwhelming successes. Copyright enforcement and the limited confiscation of fake goods? What a total crock of stinking pure BS.

So what is different about Chinese knock off knives?

I dont know, please do tell us.

Actually, nothing. They are also knock offs of Spyderco, Benchmade, Hinderer, Chris Reeve and others, not just the designs sometimes the names and logos.

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They have copy of China/HK manufactured products. Even skyray king has its china version as I saw in taobao this “If you want to buy international version of SRK please look elsewhere.

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anyone else notice?

No, until you mentioned it LOL :D!
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Interesting that a search for “Xtar” on bestvaping.net produces zero hits.

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Wallbuys wrote:

for the XTAR,we will provide the evidence to show that   our goods are salable product,just wait for about  days


What about the Nitecore i4s?
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scaru wrote:
Just sent a message to a bestvaping representative, both to ask whether they had counterfeit goods and if they knew anything else.

Me too, but I havent received an answer yet.

 

XTAR on the other hand came back at me, answering my questions.

Short summary: the raid was at bestvaping/efest. They cant spread the info publicly because of chinese law. The fake chargers are of good quality and we shouldnt worry about it. If anyone is concerned, contact XTAR with your serial number (although I'm sure those can be faked, too).

XTAR doesnt have distributors in China, but in the rest of Asia. I take it that Hong Kong doesnt count as "China" for them.

XTAR is not interested in products of other brands, if we want to know anything about the Nitecore stuff, we should contact Nitecore.

 

So far the official info, now my 2 cents:

"Ouchyfoot" made a good comment on that in the other thread:

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After reading the book "Poorly Made in China" I wouldn't doubt that the "fake" Xtar chargers are really genuine Xtars. It is quite common for factories that are contracted to produce a companies product line to make extra runs for themselves without the companies knowledge. The factory can then sell them to unknowing suppliers for extra profit for themselves. So the fake Xtars could actually be "genuine" fakes.

So I think it is really Efest. Those chargers are probably internally identical to the genuine ones. Or they even are genuine but got there in a partially legal way.. Wink

Anyone wondered why Efest released their own BIO charger which looks almost like a twin to the XTAR WP2 if you remove the label?

-> Chinese manufacturers copy from other chinese manufacturers. XTAR tells us not to worry.

Dont worry, be happy.

 

But I have to say that I wish some things in China would finally change. Legal notices on the websites would come in handy in such situations, for example. Well.. Smile

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Chicago X wrote:

It looks like they seized some lights as well.

Sad news, but probably a more common occurrence then we think. 

ChiX, I think the lights are a gift from Xtar to the police dept, a “thank you” gift.
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Woody wrote:
Interesting that a search for "Xtar" on bestvaping.net produces zero hits.

NightCrawl wrote:
Short summary: the raid was at bestvaping/efest.

I think that might explain why the XTAR 18700s I ordered 2013/1/11 were suddenly "out of stock" at 2013/1/15.

Asked them to send some Panasonics instead - let's hope those are legit.

=the=

 

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dchomak wrote:
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Got an Xtar WP2 II charger today from Wallbuys from the awesome Christmas sale and it has the user guide complete with optional accessories shown so I have to think it is legit.
I doubt the copycats would go to the expense of nicely printed manuals, but i could be wrong.
Anyway, I am charging a battery on it as we speak and no smoke has come out of it Smile

Will check voltage when the battery finishes charging.
Later,
Keith

P.S. Clones make the world go round.

I can’t believe at what some of you guys look at to determine if something is legit or not. Printing or the shade of a label will not necessarily tell you what you want to know. If you want to get paranoid, you should know that the counterfeiting can go a lot deeper than you may care to think about. Chips, IC’s resisters, capacitors etc are all counterfeited. I have said it before and I will say it again.

Do you want to spend a lot of money and be cheated, or would rather spend a little, and be cheated.

It is an impossible situation in China, and until they are able to change the way they think and do business, their society will reap the results of all the short cuts they are using, trying to progress.

oops, gotta go, the wife brought home Chinese…………..

Are you sure it’s Chinese?

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Man, if members/testers such as you might be doubting the legitimacy, we’re all screwed

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Asked them to send some Panasonics instead – let’s hope those are legit.

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Are you sure it’s Chinese?

OMG! That too!

Its in a white box container with springy metal handle. Shrimp fried rice or Lo Mein is usually put in this container.
There are soy sauce, hot sauce and duck sauce plastic sachets in the brown paper bag.
A pair of wooden chopsticks still attached to each other in red paper sleeve.
At least two pieces of fortune cookies also in the bag.
Check the strip of paper in the fortune cookies it they have Chinese proverbs or good luck predictions on one side and lotto numbers on the other side.
A free soda in can if your order is more than $7.00.

I hope I didn’t miss anything…

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filtt wrote:
It is 99% sure that all Xtar products bought from China are fakes. All other sellers than Xtar itself sells fake products because Xtar doesn’t have any retailers in China. This particular video is shooted in bestvaping.net raid.

Thank you, friend. Please don’t worry, it won’t shoot in bestvaping.net.

Bestvaping will never lie to any of our customer. Always did our best to keep best quality for our customer, always trying to improve our quality. Even nobody is perfet, but we still keep improve ourself at all the times, and always keep improve the quality and service at first. We declare that we did not selling any fake Xtar chargers to our customers. All for originals with high quality one. Our customers are all know the truth about how does the bestvaping ( efest company) working, how does the bestvaping ( efest company) served our customers, how does best working ( efest company) offered goods quality, how does bestvaping ( efest company) helped our customers. This is the reason why our efest batteries are famous and grow up quickly.

Just as our customer said “ efest won’t sell fake Xtar chargers, cause I’ve never received any complaint about their products since I dealing with them, no matter Xtar chargers or efest batteries.” Well, I really believe this customer is telling the truth but without flatter us. But I do also believe that our engineer told me the impressive words: “ As long as it is product, there will be defective products. Only when the defective products happened, then you will find the way to resolve it, then the products quality can be improved.” For any original products, this words always happened. All of the high quality products must being test over again and again until to make sure the defective rate to lowest then will start selling to the market. There is no any factory can produce 100% non-defective products. and only the irresponsible supplier will selling the defective products to the market. But we are a responsible,honest and stable supplier, all of our customers know it.

I believe the business man always want to doing business with a supplier who is responsible, honest, stable, and can supplier high quality and original products with cheapest price and good service. This is what we are move to and which is we always keep doing like this.

Nobody is perfect in this world, we still have many stuff need to improve. Thank you very much for all of you always keep your eyes on us, please just believe that we won’t let you down.

Best Regards,

Jone

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verge wrote:
marcl wrote:
Are you sure it’s Chinese?

OMG! That too!

Its in a white box container with springy metal handle. Shrimp fried rice or Lo Mein is usually put in this container.
There are soy sauce, hot sauce and duck sauce plastic sachets in the brown paper bag.
A pair of wooden chopsticks still attached to each other in red paper sleeve.
At least two pieces of fortune cookies also in the bag.
Check the strip of paper in the fortune cookies it they have Chinese proverbs or good luck predictions on one side and lotto numbers on the other side.
A free soda in can if your order is more than $7.00.

I hope I didn’t miss anything…

PHEW! Looks like yours is the real deal! There have been problems with fake Chinese food before and to my knowledge the only way to tell is the fortune cookies. If you crack them open you will see either sysmax or Xtar coupon codes and no good luck messages writing. The only other giveaway is the chopsticks if they sometimes have small green dinosaurs or them. Nobody is sure why as of yet. Wink

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Jone, you know I like you as we have exchanged numerous PNs, but that post seems like someone from marketing made it. Wink

Have you read the whole thread? Its pretty clear that the raid was at bestvaping (or some other seller with the same name?).

Also, you dont have any XTAR brand products in your shop anymore, just like AW which allegedly were fakes.

And what about the BIO charger looking exactly like the XTAR WP2?

You might have made mistakes in the past, be honest from now on and everything is fine. I wouldnt bother buying from you again, even assuming you sold fake XTAR and AW products.

Fake doesnt even mean that the products were copied, we all know how chinese business works. Manufacturers take contracts which are not profitable for them and afterwards sell the same product with less cost in higher quantities. So maybe those were genuine chargers and batteries but the owner of the name didnt want you to sell them.

 

If you buy 500pcs of something from China, they will print whatever name and logo you want on it.

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scaru wrote:

Just got a reply from my contact with bestvaping, here a transcript is. 

 

20:17:30

me
Also, any additional information in regards to who was involved and how to detect a counterfeit would be appreciated.
 
 
20:28:25

[Redacted]
all our charger are not fake, we buy the XTAR charger from XTAR company purchaser, and their purchaser just get from XTAR factory and sell to us, I am sure it is original chargers and we sell for two years, none gave the feedback of they are fake
 
 
 
I’m slightly suspicious that it took her 11 minutes to respond when she had been responding quickly, but over all I think it confirms that they were not the place raided. DD on the other hand. Silly

Hi David,

Thank you for clarify the facts. Much appreciate for it.

new charger : http://www.efestpower.com/Product/5163781547.html & http://www.efestpower.com/Product/483756337.html
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Too bad, I have an xtar coming from a chinese retailer

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efestjone wrote:
scaru wrote:

Just got a reply from my contact with bestvaping, here a transcript is. 

 

20:17:30

me
Also, any additional information in regards to who was involved and how to detect a counterfeit would be appreciated.
 
 
20:28:25

[Redacted]
all our charger are not fake, we buy the XTAR charger from XTAR company purchaser, and their purchaser just get from XTAR factory and sell to us, I am sure it is original chargers and we sell for two years, none gave the feedback of they are fake
 
 
 
I’m slightly suspicious that it took her 11 minutes to respond when she had been responding quickly, but over all I think it confirms that they were not the place raided. DD on the other hand. Silly

Hi David,

Thank you for clarify the facts. Much appreciate for it.

What on earth this clarifies? Raid took place at bestvaping, that´s sure.

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filtt: Where do you have the info from?

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From a very truthful source at Hongkong.

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You dont have any more detailed information if those were really fakes or just being sold without knowledge of XTAR? Or any other useful information?^^

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filtt wrote:
It is 99% sure that all Xtar products bought from China are fakes. All other sellers than Xtar itself sells fake products because Xtar doesn’t have any retailers in China. This particular video is shooted in bestvaping.net raid.

“This particular video is shooted in bestvaping.net raid.”

filtt, how did you know that the video was a raid at bestvaping.net ?

I watched the video and can’t find any reference to bestvading.net, unless some chinese writing on the boxes says bestvading.net

At which part of the video did it refer that the raid took place at bestvading.net?

Xtar’s facebook did not expose the name of company raided at that video.

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Redacted? This isn’t a government FOIA request (just the facts, jus’ the facts)

scaru wrote:

 

20:17:30

me
Also, any additional information in regards to who was involved and how to detect a counterfeit would be appreciated.
 
 
20:28:25

[Redacted]
all our charger are not fake, we buy the XTAR charger from XTAR company purchaser, and their purchaser just get from XTAR factory and sell to us, I am sure it is original chargers and we sell for two years, none gave the feedback of they are fake
 
 
 

Hi David,

Thank you for clarify the facts. Much appreciate for it.

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flash.light wrote:
Redacted? This isn't a government FOIA request (just the facts, jus' the facts)
scaru wrote:

 

20:17:30

me
Also, any additional information in regards to who was involved and how to detect a counterfeit would be appreciated.
 
 
20:28:25

[Redacted]
all our charger are not fake, we buy the XTAR charger from XTAR company purchaser, and their purchaser just get from XTAR factory and sell to us, I am sure it is original chargers and we sell for two years, none gave the feedback of they are fake
 
 
 
 

Hi David, Thank you for clarify the facts. Much appreciate for it.

Sorry, I just felt I didn't need to post their name. 

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Yea kinda raised my eyebrow a few months back. When it was being sold for 19.99 when months back it was 29.99? Being bundled with flashlights & batteries even make it more tempting to buy them too.

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It sounds like the XM LEDs won’t really be suitable for flashlight use. Pity…

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NightCrawl wrote:

Jone, you know I like you as we have exchanged numerous PNs, but that post seems like someone from marketing made it. Wink

Have you read the whole thread? Its pretty clear that the raid was at bestvaping (or some other seller with the same name?).

Also, you dont have any XTAR brand products in your shop anymore, just like AW which allegedly were fakes.

And what about the BIO charger looking exactly like the XTAR WP2?

You might have made mistakes in the past, be honest from now on and everything is fine. I wouldnt bother buying from you again, even assuming you sold fake XTAR and AW products.

Fake doesnt even mean that the products were copied, we all know how chinese business works. Manufacturers take contracts which are not profitable for them and afterwards sell the same product with less cost in higher quantities. So maybe those were genuine chargers and batteries but the owner of the name didnt want you to sell them.

 

If you buy 500pcs of something from China, they will print whatever name and logo you want on it.

thank you Simon, I think there is something you misunderstanding.

First, we want to declare that we do not made any mistake in the past and won’t make any mistake in future too.

Second, we never ever sold any AW batteries. None of one piece. One of our customer suggested us to post the AW batteries picture on our website as the marketing tools, for promote our own products. And we even refused many customers to making the fake AW batteries.

Third, the BIO charger we have patent, and many other approval, also the engineer designed it under the Chinese lawyer verified. Is not just that sample to print whatever the name and paste it on it. There are many Chinese factory maybe will do like that, but we never do and even won’t do like that.

I’m really appreciate your kindly words, but the truth is the truth, we shouldn’t ignore it.

new charger : http://www.efestpower.com/Product/5163781547.html & http://www.efestpower.com/Product/483756337.html
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