Fake chargers (XTAR, Nitecore)!!!

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Just got a reply from my contact with bestvaping, here a transcript is. 

 

20:17:30

me
Also, any additional information in regards to who was involved and how to detect a counterfeit would be appreciated.
 
 
20:28:25

[Redacted]
all our charger are not fake, we buy the XTAR charger from XTAR company purchaser, and their purchaser just get from XTAR factory and sell to us, I am sure it is original chargers and we sell for two years, none gave the feedback of they are fake
 
 
 
I’m slightly suspicious that it took her 11 minutes to respond when she had been responding quickly, but over all I think it confirms that they were not the place raided. DD on the other hand. Silly

Hi David,

Thank you for clarify the facts. Much appreciate for it.

What on earth this clarifies? Raid took place at bestvaping, that´s sure.

Hi filtt,

We appreciate for your kindly hard works for to prove raid at bestvaping. lolz, though the vedio speaking in Chinese but never mentioned any bestvaping relative else, even no efest batteries or relative else. How do you know it’s bestvaping and why anxious to prove it bestvaping? Those vedios happened in everywhere of the world every day. Where showed bestvaping? How do you sure it? Hmm, looks like you are the from the Xtar?

new charger : http://www.efestpower.com/Product/5163781547.html & http://www.efestpower.com/Product/483756337.html
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I hate bestvaping.
They sell fakes and are still not honest when we got this information direct from xtar. Just a bit blabla…
I am sure they would never admit even if they were devil themself.

Still waiting on my invoice for my order…since some month. I don’t trust them and I don’t like them.

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I'm still waiting to see someone who actually received any fake product from Efest. Wink

After some messages with Xtar and Efest representatives, I think all of this is far less an issue that we all thought. I'll shed some light on that later.

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kreisler wrote:

i dont buy xtar other than battery

efest shipping charges kills the deal

my english sometimes as bad as native chinese speakers

sorry for inconvenience and misunderstanding simon


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I just received a large order from powerwholesale (same as bestvaping) including 2 Xtar MP2 chargers and 2 SysMax/NiteCore Intellicharger i4 V2 chargers and they look identical to and charge exactly the same as the ones I had purchased from a trusted source.

I found getting the order sorted out with them a bit more time consuming than some of the other sellers (Tmart, Wallbuys, Fasttech…) but I found their communication throughout was prompt and customer focused. Their pricing is great (wholesale) so shipping charges (EMS, DHL, FedEx) can seem high, but for a large order I’d recommend them based on my personal experience.

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NightCrawl wrote:

I’m still waiting to see someone who actually received any fake product from Efest. Wink

After some messages with Xtar and Efest representatives, I think all of this is far less an issue that we all thought. I’ll shed some light on that later.

Was that office in the video, with battery chargers of different brands, a victim of friendly fire?

After all the drama of that raid, it was all much ado about nothing (as Shakespeare would have said it)?

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I’m sorry scaru… that’s cool. I just thought it was like a bunch of paragraphs or stuff… hey, I guess that would’ve been cool too.

Thanks for the info you posted! Smile

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Redacted? This isn’t a government FOIA request (just the facts, jus’ the facts)
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20:17:30

me
Also, any additional information in regards to who was involved and how to detect a counterfeit would be appreciated.
 
 
20:28:25

[Redacted]
all our charger are not fake, we buy the XTAR charger from XTAR company purchaser, and their purchaser just get from XTAR factory and sell to us, I am sure it is original chargers and we sell for two years, none gave the feedback of they are fake
 
 
 
 

Hi David, Thank you for clarify the facts. Much appreciate for it.

Sorry, I just felt I didn’t need to post their name. 

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Hey Woody,

I really feel sorry about this problem,I emailed to sb56637 almost 1 month ago to explain the reason( why we end the adverstizing on BLF ). I am sure there is not any relationship with the it.

About your questions: why this company traded under so many names: since each site need the different name, and our company was registered by official in china and Hongkong, and we put products on B2B website, we need some certifications here and there.

We are here always, and we will take duties for every our client. Do not be afraid, we never want to cheat others, that is our BLF adverstizing said: we will accept any suggestions ( bad and good ),we will improve under your feedbacks, and hope you will support to us all the time.

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Werner wrote:
I hate bestvaping.
They sell fakes and are still not honest when we got this information direct from xtar. Just a bit blabla…
I am sure they would never admit even if they were devil themself.

Still waiting on my invoice for my order…since some month. I don’t trust them and I don’t like them.

Hey Werner,

I am sorry If bestvaping gave you bad impression.

As your know,we would like to check the best shipping cost to you ( and also we need time conmunicate and confirm with you ) ,that is why we are slowly, Sheer already sent the tracking number to you on Jan.17th, I think you will get it soon with good shipping cost.

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Woody wrote:
I doubt if Xtar would take too much interest in fake Nitecore, or any other products they didn’t own.

I agree with Kreisler – if it is shown that Bestvaping (aka Efest, aka Powerwholesale, aka ShenZhen E-Young Technology, etc) are involved, we should stop doing business with them.

Funny, but I remember Boaz asking some time ago why this company traded under so many names. Perhaps we have a hint now why. Not that I am jumping the gun or anything, you understand.

Oh, and has Efest’s advertising ended on BLF?

Hey Woody,

I really feel sorry about this problem,I emailed to sb56637 almost 1 month ago to explain the reason( why we end the adverstizing on BLF ). I am sure there is not any relationship with the it.

About your questions: why this company traded under so many names: since each site need the different name, and our company was registered by official in china and Hongkong, and we put products on B2B website, we need some certifications here and there.

We are here always, and we will take duties for every our client. Do not be afraid, we never want to cheat others, that is our BLF adverstizing said: we will accept any suggestions ( bad and good ),we will improve under your feedbacks, and hope you will support to us all the time.

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Bestvaping is not selling Fake Xtar chargers. How many times have I bought from them? MANY TIMES. None of my customers ever of their xtar wp2 sp2 wp6 as being defective or fake. Ive bought nitecore from them too. If you want to find out for yourself order an xtar WP2 from Bestvaping or Manafont then buy one frm FStoplights. Check if there are any differences.

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You took the words out of my mouth, MonzReyes. Bestvaping, efest, powerwholesale, whatsoever doesn’t sell fake Xtar chargers. It doesn’t sell any Xtar products atm.

In the past they sold fake Xtar chargers.

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daveam wrote:
I just received a large order from powerwholesale (same as bestvaping) including 2 Xtar MP2 chargers and 2 SysMax/NiteCore Intellicharger i4 V2 chargers and they look identical to and charge exactly the same as the ones I had purchased from a trusted source. I found getting the order sorted out with them a bit more time consuming than some of the other sellers (Tmart, Wallbuys, Fasttech...) but I found their communication throughout was prompt and customer focused. Their pricing is great (wholesale) so shipping charges (EMS, DHL, FedEx) can seem high, but for a large order I'd recommend them based on my personal experience.

 

   They are a pretty  good company that has delivered quality batteries to hundreds of members here on BLF.

   My experiance is the same as yours ..shipping is a bit slow at about 28 days but prices were right and the products were of good quality ..I would do business with them again and reccommend them too a friend . 

Why has BLF turned into a big witch hunt ??

Time to quit the drama club

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I think we are experiencing a witch hunt in the forum because of that police raid video and somebody alleged the police raid was conducted at bestvaping.net office.

filtt wrote:
This particular video is shooted in bestvaping.net raid.

and the source of this information was;

filtt wrote:
From a very truthful source at Hongkong.

and somebody alleged that vestvaping;

filtt wrote:
In the past they sold fake Xtar chargers.

In the latest allegation against bestvaping.net, the source of information is….?

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verge wrote:
I think we are experiencing a witch hunt in the forum because of that police raid video and somebody alleged the police raid was conducted at bestvaping.net office.
filtt wrote:
This particular video is shooted in bestvaping.net raid.

and the source of this information was;

filtt wrote:
From a very truthful source at Hongkong.

and somebody alleged that vestvaping;

filtt wrote:
In the past they sold fake Xtar chargers.

In the latest allegation against bestvaping.net, the source of information is….?

Seems like a lot of free publicity for Xtar. Just saying…

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@Shadowww: Simon is my real name which kreisler - who deleted his post^^ - knows. Smile

Now about all that stuff with fake Xtar chargers.. I have exchanged several messages with both Xtar and Efest (aka bestvaping, bestinone, powerwholesale) representatives and I got very different answers.

So the following is based upon the facts I got.

I dont know if that video was shot at bestvaping. Honestly, no idea who is telling the truth right now. Do I think it is possible that it was shot at bestvaping? Yes, but even if it was, I dont think its an issue.

In my opinion, Efest didnt sell any fake charger in the past. Why do I think that?

Xtar HAD distributors in China. They just cancelled their contracts with most of them, so friendly fire as someone called it earlier is possible. How could you possibly control where hundreds/thousands of chargers eventually show up? Maybe Xtar sold them to Efest (or the company in question) directly but wanted to stop that very quick? Maybe some of the resellers made better business than Xtar and they didnt like it?

Xtar didnt warn about fake chargers, they even say they are not dangerous.

About the low price thing.. I bought mine during a special sale about 30% under MSRP. And its genuine. What does that tell us? Some distributors give up a part of their earning on one product to promote their shop. Nothing more, nothing less.

Nitecore didnt investigate, although there are Nitecore chargers in the video. Nitecore is a competitor of Xtar. Would a company knowingly sell fake Xtar chargers but genuine ones from Nitecore?

Business in China works a little different than in the western world. A former friend can be your worst enemy the next day. Stealing business partners is very common.

As you see, there are more possible scenarios than I have fingers. In the end, we will NEVER know the truth. Probably Xtar and Efest will know it, but I'm not even sure about that. If there even is an investigation by lawyers, it will soon end because they wont find anyone responsible. I mean, suing someone in China for copyright infringement is ridiculous.

Personal note: I still trust Efest and Xtar and I would buy from both without hesitation. So, what is our benefit from all these videos, posts, bashing, complaining, complaining about people who complain and so on? Well, now we know that you cant compare chinese companies to western ones. It just works differently there. A lot of that is somewhere between morally questionable and plain wrong.

But lets be honest: we are insignificant to most chinese manufacturers. And its great that they still care about us.

 

Live long and prosper!

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I ordered a nitecore intellecharger from ebay seller Harris Outdoors last month. It took 19 days to get to me. Supposed to be a us seller.
You fellas think maybe i got a fake?

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Get yours and run it by Nitecore.

Suspicious about them… I don’t know but they’ve been running a free shipping special on Amazon with a “Nitecore EC1 ULTIMATE PACKAGE! INCLUDES i2 INTELLICHARGER AND 2 × 16340 PROTECTED BATTERIES (trustfire cells, not nitecore) for $55 and that’s cheaper than buying them all at fasttech! (Could just be a loss-leader for nitecore, though)

But 19 days and they write in their ad “ALL PRODUCTS ARE SHIPPED FROM OLD SAYBROOK, CT. USA!” Isn’t that where Battery Junction is from? Same Company???

MikieG wrote:
I ordered a nitecore intellecharger from ebay seller Harris Outdoors last month. It took 19 days to get to me. Supposed to be a us seller. You fellas think maybe i got a fake?
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marcl wrote:
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marcl wrote:
Are you sure it's Chinese?
OMG! That too! Its in a white box container with springy metal handle. Shrimp fried rice or Lo Mein is usually put in this container. There are soy sauce, hot sauce and duck sauce plastic sachets in the brown paper bag. A pair of wooden chopsticks still attached to each other in red paper sleeve. At least two pieces of fortune cookies also in the bag. Check the strip of paper in the fortune cookies it they have Chinese proverbs or good luck predictions on one side and lotto numbers on the other side. A free soda in can if your order is more than $7.00. I hope I didn't miss anything...
PHEW! Looks like yours is the real deal! There have been problems with fake Chinese food before and to my knowledge the only way to tell is the fortune cookies....

I don't think you even know what Chinese food is. That's like calling chimichangas 'Mexican food'.

Anyway, fake crap is gonna turn up everywhere, sometimes more obvious than others, it's how the world is, has been and always will be in such a globally materialistic society...now where was that special on the biggest baddest flashlight there is?

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Don’t worry so much. Even XTAR acknowledged they are good high quality fakes and not dangerous. Seldom have original brand praise their fakes. So these must be good.

cool i'll see you when you get there

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I dont know if that video was shot at bestvaping. Honestly, no idea who is telling the truth right now. Do I think it is possible that it was shot at bestvaping? Yes, but even if it was, I dont think its an issue.

Did Xtar give some kind of confirmation that the raid was at bestvaping? For me, it is an issue because that will be part of my consideration if I can trust bestvaping’s or Xtar’s integrity with products they sell. I hope Xtar doesn’t toy with an idea that they can bait consumers with a vague news and then manipulate their buying behavior.

Were there arrests and charges filed after the raid?

If Xtar wanted that raid to be a message to those allegedly making fake Xtar product, they should have maximized media exposure of that raid. Why can’t I find any legitimate news report link of that raid?

China might have different way of conducting business but I am not in China and Xtar is aware that it is also selling products outside of China. I wanted assurance that the product I buy is not a fake.

So far, Xtar is being quiet while bestvading is defending itself from a unsubstantiated (as of now) accusation here.

Xtar’s integrity to honor done deals will also reflect on how it would treat me with their products and warrantees.

If I can’t trust them, I won’t buy from them.

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I don’t think you even know what Chinese food is. That’s like calling chimichangas ‘Mexican food’.

How do you know if your Chinese food is the real deal aside from being cooked by a Chinese cook in a Chinese restaurant or Chinese Take Out store?

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What we buy is Americanized Chinese food. They won’t eat it, just cook it. There for our Chinese food is fake Chinese food.

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Ya, you need to eat real Chinese foods outside USA or Europe. China or south east asia or Taiwan is the place to get them.
And better is have local friends to bring you to nice restaurants. Not all foods are delicious.

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No. Boaz…. NOOOOOOOO :bigsmile:

BLF members are hilarious:
“That’s like saying “My car has top-speed of 200k millimiles per hour”. Why not to just say 10 Ah?”

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Is it a debate? Of course no. I do not know if you have heard “one thousand readers, then there may be one thousand Hamlet”, So there is no need to argue about it here. And no need to be angry about others’s views. there is also an old saying in my country “Qing Zhe Zi Qing, Zhuo Zhe Zi Zhuo” it means: The wise man knows he knows nothing, the fool thinks he knows all. i think XTAR is smart. Happy here, about flashlight. As usual, I like to learn more, and keep silent. If i offend someone, sorry for that. Have fun!

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verge wrote:
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I dont know if that video was shot at bestvaping. Honestly, no idea who is telling the truth right now. Do I think it is possible that it was shot at bestvaping? Yes, but even if it was, I dont think its an issue.
Did Xtar give some kind of confirmation that the raid was at bestvaping? For me, it is an issue because that will be part of my consideration if I can trust bestvaping's or Xtar's integrity with products they sell. I hope Xtar doesn't toy with an idea that they can bait consumers with a vague news and then manipulate their buying behavior. Were there arrests and charges filed after the raid? If Xtar wanted that raid to be a message to those allegedly making fake Xtar product, they should have maximized media exposure of that raid. Why can't I find any legitimate news report link of that raid? China might have different way of conducting business but I am not in China and Xtar is aware that it is also selling products outside of China. I wanted assurance that the product I buy is not a fake. So far, Xtar is being quiet while bestvading is defending itself from a unsubstantiated (as of now) accusation here. Xtar's integrity to honor done deals will also reflect on how it would treat me with their products and warrantees. If I can't trust them, I won't buy from them.

They did. Efest said it wasnt their place. Who do you trust?

Charges, arrests.. dont know and never will. Chinese law seems to forbid releasing more details.

Legitimate report link? You know that a lot of chinese people cant access facebook, twitter and youtube? Its a little different.

Xtar answered my questions via email. They said they are not allowed to give any details in public.

 

As I said, we cant know for sure because its another world. I will continue living my life and continue buying products from Efest and Xtar. Karma will punish the bad guys.

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Annie-one]Is it a debate? Of course no. I do not know if you have heard “one thousand readers, then there may be one thousand Hamlet”, So there is no need to argue about it here. And no need to be angry about others’s views. there is also an old saying in my country “Qing Zhe Zi Qing, Zhuo Zhe Zi Zhuo” it means: The wise man knows he knows nothing, the fool thinks he knows all. i think XTAR is smart. Happy here, about flashlight. As usual, I like to learn more, and keep silent. If i offend someone, sorry for that. Have fun! [quote]

There is also an old saying, "Ignorance is bliss,' because the ignorant fool wouldn't know what he's missing so everybody smiling and happy.

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Did Xtar give some kind of confirmation that the raid was at bestvaping?
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They did.

Thanks! I just wished you included that information in your previous post, because you had direct communication with Xtar and bestvaping.

So, it was really bestvading office raided by police for alleged fake Xtar products.

DENGOH wrote:
Ya, you need to eat real Chinese foods outside USA or Europe. China or south east asia or Taiwan is the place to get them. And better is have local friends to bring you to nice restaurants. Not all foods are delicious.

Not only in restaurants, I’ve been invited to homes of Chinese chefs to enjoy home-cooked Chinese foods with their families.

Not good enough to know the taste of Chinese food?

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I just wished you included that information in your previous post. Thank you! Smile

So, it was really bestvading office raided by police for alleged fake Xtar products.

NightCrawl wrote:

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NightCrawl wrote:
I dont know if that video was shot at bestvaping. Honestly, no idea who is telling the truth right now. Do I think it is possible that it was shot at bestvaping? Yes, but even if it was, I dont think its an issue.
Did Xtar give some kind of confirmation that the raid was at bestvaping? For me, it is an issue because that will be part of my consideration if I can trust bestvaping’s or Xtar’s integrity with products they sell. I hope Xtar doesn’t toy with an idea that they can bait consumers with a vague news and then manipulate their buying behavior. Were there arrests and charges filed after the raid? If Xtar wanted that raid to be a message to those allegedly making fake Xtar product, they should have maximized media exposure of that raid. Why can’t I find any legitimate news report link of that raid? China might have different way of conducting business but I am not in China and Xtar is aware that it is also selling products outside of China. I wanted assurance that the product I buy is not a fake. So far, Xtar is being quiet while bestvading is defending itself from a unsubstantiated (as of now) accusation here. Xtar’s integrity to honor done deals will also reflect on how it would treat me with their products and warrantees. If I can’t trust them, I won’t buy from them.

They did. Efest said it wasnt their place. Who do you trust?

Charges, arrests.. dont know and never will. Chinese law seems to forbid releasing more details.

Legitimate report link? You know that a lot of chinese people cant access facebook, twitter and youtube? Its a little different.

Xtar answered my questions via email. They said they are not allowed to give any details in public.

 

As I said, we cant know for sure because its another world. I will continue living my life and continue buying products from Efest and Xtar. Karma will punish the bad guys.

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There is also an old saying, “Ignorance is bliss,” because the ignorant fool wouldn’t know what he’s missing so everybody smiling and happy… until the cookie crumbles Smile

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Is it a debate? Of course no. I do not know if you have heard “one thousand readers, then there may be one thousand Hamlet”, So there is no need to argue about it here. And no need to be angry about others’s views. there is also an old saying in my country “Qing Zhe Zi Qing, Zhuo Zhe Zi Zhuo” it means: The wise man knows he knows nothing, the fool thinks he knows all. i think XTAR is smart. Happy here, about flashlight. As usual, I like to learn more, and keep silent. If i offend someone, sorry for that. Have fun!

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