Review: Palight C8 R5 (sku 6374 from Manafont)

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I thought you were talking about the Palight.  I'll have to look on my L2s.

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Anyone have any idea just what the Palight logo next to their name in the photo below is?

Looks like a rabbit with a surfboard strapped to it's back riding an iron.

Just curious...

 

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

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I think maybe it's like a Rorschach painting, you see what *you* see.

 

I see it as a falcon sitting on her nest, I've supprised her and she is now stairing at me...her eyes burn as if she is looking into my very soul!!!

 

I realy should have read the information leaflet before I took those pills.... Silly

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It's an old cat yawning.

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This has took out of sale?..Can Not find

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It's a viper with falcon wings flying past a mountain.

Piers said " ....but who wants enough light, when you have the option for far too much "

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Original Products still there although the price has dropped slightly. Remember we ordered the Silver C8 Q5, but they substituted the Black with R5 emitter.

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After such excellent review,I search for with R5))

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Last night when I looked, there were no R5 Palight C8s listed, just Q5 and a few others over $100.  I bought this light on Squidboy's recommendation and like Between said, we originally ordered the silver version.  Jim e-mailed offering the black instead of waiting.  My guess is that because it is a great light for the money (my opinion notwithstanding) and popular, it will be available again at some point.  Jim might (probably) knows more.

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This Ultrafire C8 R5 looks very similar to the palight http://www.shenzhen-wholesale.com/ultrafire-c8-cree-r5-led-aluminum-flas...

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I ordered what looks to be the Ultrafire version of it with an XM-L at 3000mAh...I hope

$29   http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-th-t60-ha-ii-xm-lt60-5-mode-1200-...

 

Circuitry:Digital Regulated 3000mA Current Output
Brightness:1200 lumens maximum brightness (manufacturer rated)

 

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

http://dreammustang.com/

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trooplewis wrote:

 

That appears to me to have a much smaller head and looks like yet another incarnation of the Golston body.

Golston

 

The numbers from my light tests are always to be found here.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ApkFM37n_QnRdDU5MDNzOURjYllmZHI...

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Since I can now measure amps I used this opportunity to revisit the Palight.  As I first reported, "the Palight C8 (XP-G/R5 version) is no slouch."  Not only is it not a slouch, it is a superb performer and although I take back nothing I said, I must admit that I may have understated some of this flashlight's capabilities.

Tonight while taking out the trash, I shined the Palight on a palm tree about a block away.  This bad boy lit up the top of that tree so bright that I felt it would be disingenuous to this flashlight if I did not report its incredible performance.  This is one hell of a bright torch and clear proof that XP-G lights can run with the big dogs.  I'm still not a fan of the 5-mode/flashy board but I can say with no reservation that at $17, the Palight C8 (R5) has to be one of the top flashlight bargains of all time.  Has it worked its way up the Foy-favorite-o-meter?

No.  (but I do respect it more)

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Glad you added to this thread. It is still my favorite light, and a fantastic thrower.

A good XM-L with a smooth reflector throws a wider hotspot, but the hotspot on the XP-G Palight is still brighter and throws farther.

Foy, what kind of draw did you get at the back of the light? I'd like to test mine and see if I'm getting the same results as you with my Harbor Freight MM. I'm getting 2.3A on high.

Now just think; what if we could get the P8 with a decent XM-L that pulled, say 2.5A and was a good match for its smooth reflector. Wow... but so far the XM-L's I've seen with SMO reflector don't work as well, I think the emitter is too big and the beam gets too diffused before it ever leaves the reflector.

 

I think the beam shape is what makes the P8 such a strong light. It has a very well defined hotspot and still gets good spill.

 

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

http://dreammustang.com/

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/Ha

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I updated the specs with my new readings.  1.60 on high was the highest on my cheapo $40 Extech DMM.  .50 on medium and .06 on low.  That's still, probably over 400 lumens on high if I'm reading the Cree chart right and yes, I would love to see what this guy could do if it were pushed a little.

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It and asn't appeared on sale.

Periodically I check

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Strange, I wonder why it looks like I'm getting 2.3A with mine.

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

http://dreammustang.com/

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/Ha

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troop - I just measured again after I've been using the light outside for a while and I can't get any higher than 1.50.  You're using an 18650, right?

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I just checked it again with a couple different batteries, none of them freshly charged so not sure how accurate this is.

With protected Ultrafire 2600's,  2.25A (hi) .65(mid) .09(lo)

With HiMax 2600  1.95(Hi) .6(mid)  .08(Lo)

With Ultrafire 3000mAh  1.65 (Hi)  .65(mid) .08(Lo)  I need to charge this one and try again later.

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

http://dreammustang.com/

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/Ha

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Looks like this light is no longer available on MF with the R5 (XP-G) emitter. I can only find the Q5 ones now, for about $10 less. Wonder if it is because the emitter is driven too hard for an XP-G?

Rats, finally sold my 2010 509hp Mustang...now I can buy more lights!

Sold the red one too! Now guess what I drive, doing my penance for 500 hp commuters...

http://dreammustang.com/

http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac47/Ha

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I wouldn't think so.  I didn't notice any heat issues or anything.  It doesn't make any sense because I would think they could sell every XP-G Palight they made.  Would a Q5 version be worth a darn?  I'm not sure I would stop long enough to look - Q5 lights don't do anything for me.  On the other hand, the Palight reflector would make the most of a Q5 so . . .

Just seems like every site has an ocean of Q5 flashlights for sale.

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The black version is now there too.

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The cat seems to be thinking   "WTF am I doing in this Review ?" but I liked the non-sequitir relief.

Nice amazingly detailed Review.

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Wasn't sure whether or not to post a new thread. 

Well I just received this light (Palight C8 R5 Manafont sku#6374).  Popped in a freshly charged Trustfire flame 2400mAh 18650 (4.20v) and checked the tailcap current - 2.5amp!  Now according to my meter lead testing this means I'd really be seeing very close to 3.0A if I used 12ga wire!  WTH?  This sounds like a waste of battery power and runtime to me!  I was hoping for more like a high of 1.4A to get better runtime than the KD C8 but still have good throw.  In performance it doesn't look a whole lot different from my KD C8.  I had to really look hard to notice a slightly brighter narrower hot spot with the Palight vs. the KD.  I only had a few minutes to test it (ran out in the backyard while it was dark before leaving for work). 

The two lights look nearly identical with the exception that the Palight has writing on the side (same as the OP), the different smaller emitter, and an SMO reflector (my KD C8 is LOP).  I only tested the tailcap current in high mode since I was in a rush.  The KD C8 was previously tested at 2.62A on high with same test leads, and 3.04A with 14AWG wire leads.  I opened up both lights and low and behold from the backside the two drivers look identical!  It looks like this driver at KD (posted over on the KD C8 review thread - post #514).  The Palight's driver does not look like the driver Foy posted above.  Here is a photo of my KD C8 on the left (or top) and Palight C8 R5 on the right (or bottom):

 KD C8 (Left or Top) Palight R5 (Right or Bottom)

(For some reason after I rotated the photo and re-inserted it, it still shows it rotated the wrong way.  I'm guessing it's stuck in "cache" somewhere and will correct itself later.  Perhaps it's only rotated wrong in my view of this post.) (EDIT - Yup, fixed itself over time, though it messed up the width/height ratio, so I just corrected that.)

        Thoughts?  How is the R5 going to be on 3A? Overheat?  Burn it out?  Waste battery power/runtime?  (I'm awaiting Match's results of driving the XP-G R5 hard.)

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It's going to burn out. Waste of power little increase in light.

garrybunk what readings are you getting on Medium and Low?

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I haven't tested on Med or low yet.  Will have to wait until I get back home and report back, but if it's going to be similar to my KD C8 measurements those were: Med - 1.44A & Low - 0.14A (with the 14 AWG wire). Medium would be where I really wanted high at. I have not ran it long enough to test for heat, nor have I taken out the pill to add thermal compound to the threads. 

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I just tested mine again and it's about the same as it was when I did the review . . .

high -     1.50

medium - .45

low -       .05

It has serious flickering issues and . . . . has not been one of my favorites.

 

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Ok, I tested tailcap currents again and here is what I get:

battery at 4.15v
Meter w/original test leads:
HI - 2.40A
Med - 1.08A
Low - 0.09A

Meter w/ 14 AWG Romex as leads:
Hi - 2.69A
Med - 1.20A
Low - 0.10A

         The light is also noticeably brighter on high than it is on medium, but it's not a huge jump.  Guess I'll just plan on getting a 1.4A 3-mode driver from Shiningbeam or from Illumination Supply to be safe. 

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