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Updated links/prices to the copper MCPCBs from intl-outdoor.

In the spreadsheet I also see that vestureofblood now sells 16mm Sinkpads.. A nice option for US buyers who want fast shipping, or for buyers in general who needs 10mm copper boards.
Same good (shipping) price for international buyers too.

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Updated prices for Kaidomain - $7.27 each now - not bad, but I got mixed results, some looked like 1A, others looked more like 1B or 1C.

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Nice price for XM-L2 U2 (if they are U2s).
I updated the U2s from lightmalls. They are now down to 8,90, so not much lower than before.. Cant compare with KD in terms of price.

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For those who have been looking for a very cool white XM-L2.
XM-L T6 0D 7$ from cnqualitygoods.
http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1831

They also have other CW T6s in stock, but I cant be bothered to add them since several other stores have similar products at same prices.
I dont think that many people care for XM-L2 T6 CW? Unless its T6 0D and for de-doming purposes or something..

May be cheaper to buy from fancyflashlights (due to free shipping), but I was not able to access their site.

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Try this link for FFL: http://www.fancyflashlights.com/category.php?id=7&price_min=0&price_max=0&page=2&sort=goods_id&order=DESC. They got probs, this should get you in. I've used the T6 0D's - yes, for de-doming...

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Thanks..
6.9$ and free shipping
Changed previous links to that store.

Was recently a thread were a guy asked for 0D tint. Id guess there is some who are interested in that tint.

Tom E, for maximum throw and PERCEIVED brightness. What would you prefer out of these two?
De-domed XM-L2 U2 1A
De-domed XM-L2 T6 0D

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Well, actually I made that choice and went with the U2 for the SS T08, but had both, so, still used a T6 0D in a resistor mod'ed SS T13, but the super T08 got the U2 de-domed and I think benefited the raw kcd numbers. Not apples to apples, but the T08 @4.5A got 210 kcd (about there?), and the T13 at 3.4A got 155 kcd.

 Resulting tints are both strong neutral - don't think the T6 0D was as neutral, but that's a tough call because didn't have both mods available at the same time.

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Update:
All the latest copper mounted LEDs from intl-outdoor, along with color XM-L (thanks islisis for adding it) and bare XP-G2 5A4 (about 4100K) are now added in the spreadsheet.

Good price too. Its basically free to get copper mounted LEDs.
http://intl-outdoor.com/index.php?main_page=products_new

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Cutter has the U3-1C bin for the XM-L2 in stock, first time I’m seeing the U3 bin for an XM-L2. It’s not even in the Cree datasheets yet.

http://www.cutter.com.au/proddetail.php?prod=cut1573

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Sweet find MosesM!
Will you add it?

This is great news for the whole community. Especially for those who want maximum output! Maybe not so for all those who now feel the urge to change out their XM-L2 U2s, just to stay on the top.. Silly
They even sell it for the same price as the U2. Not bad. Not that I will buy due to shipping. Silly

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BTW, I have just added the MT-G2 from intl-outdoor

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MosesM wrote:
Cutter has the U3-1C bin for the XM-L2 in stock, first time I'm seeing the U3 bin for an XM-L2. It's not even in the Cree datasheets yet. "http://www.cutter.com.au/proddetail.php?prod=cut1573":http://www.cutter.com.au/proddetail.php?prod=cut1573[/quote]

Showing out of stock though Frown, but this is exciting, but crap, just ordered a whole bunch of XM-L2 U2's...

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MosesM wrote:
Cutter has the U3-1C bin for the XM-L2 in stock, first time I'm seeing the U3 bin for an XM-L2. It's not even in the Cree datasheets yet. "http://www.cutter.com.au/proddetail.php?prod=cut1573":http://www.cutter.com.au/proddetail.php?prod=cut1573

Showing out of stock though Frown, but this is exciting, but crap, just ordered a whole bunch of XM-L2 U2's...

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It's possible they had none in stock, they maybe simply added it there as a teaser and it will show in stock in the next days/acouple of weeks.

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Oops! Totally didn’t notice that it’s out of stock…what a tease… Silly

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 Anything could have happened, maybe anticipated delivery or 1 customer buying out their full inventory, who knows, could have happened with something hot like this.

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Thank you! :bigsmile:

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Your welcome Flashpilot!

On top of the nice XM-L2s intl-outdoor recently got in, they now got something most have not heard of, or already forgotten about.

Cree XB-D. They have gotten the highest CRI version of the NW color that so many like (3C tint)
http://intl-outdoor.com/cree-xbd-q5-3c-minimum-80-cri-led-16mm-mcpcb-p-7...

Probably a very nice emitter for smaller AA and 2xAA lights.. also for various multi emitter lights. Higher CRI than all the common Cree emitters in that tint range.

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Update:
Added the NW 80-CRI XM-L2s from intl-outdoor and XB-D to a new sheet. (links found in previous post)
Added Nichia 119 sheet, with one WW high cri Nichia 119 from FT.

Higher CRI emitters, gotta love them.. Love

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Added:

Cree XM-L2, Bare, T5, 5C1 Tint
5$ , Nice price for a nice emitter from illumination supply!

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Oh, man! I wish I had seen those 5C1’s earlier in the week when I placed my emitter order. Doh!

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Thats a shame..
On the bright side.. There will always be a next order.. Silly

Its quite sweet that intl-outdoor have the T4, 80 CRI version. And that Illumination supply got the T5 75 CRI version.. Smile
Im impressed with the 5$ price @ Illumination supply. 5C tint have usually been more expensive then the more common emitters (CW and 5000K NW). FT sells the old XM-L version for 6-7$..
I have several of those T4,80 CRI versions coming my way. Pulled the trigger the moment I saw some 5C tint XM-L2s. Been waiting for ages for some to pop up.

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Great news!! .. for those of us who like warm white.. Smile

Intl-outdoor have gotten CREE XM-L2 T3 6A1 MINIMUM 80 CRI in stock.
6.55$
Its been added to the database.

Unlike most WW emitters, this is closer to neutral. Its not 80-cri typical, but 80-CRI Minimum. In that case T3 bin is the highest bin there is. Cant wait to compare it to some other emitters!

(Intl-outdoor have also gotten 18 AWG wire in stock)

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I see CNQ have gotten some cheapo copper MCPCBs. Looks the be the same as others sell for same price if not slightly cheaper..
http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1901
I added them anyway..

Edit: Quantity discount is nice if you buy 10 or more..
I have yet to see some tests one these..

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RaceR86 wrote:
I see CNQ have gotten some cheapo copper MCPCBs. Looks the be the same as others sell for same price if not slightly cheaper..
http://www.cnqualitygoods.com/goods.php?id=1901
I added them anyway..

Edit: Quantity discount is nice if you buy 10 or more..
I have yet to see some tests one these..

What’s up with the tarnished copper?

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Just wondering, does a LED reel for a higher bin cost more than a one with a lower bin?

I’m assuming so, since most resellers charge more for them.

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ryansoh3 wrote:
Just wondering, does a LED reel for a higher bin cost more than a one with a lower bin?

I’m assuming so, since most resellers charge more for them.

I cant comment on your previous post, but Ill give this one a shot. BTW, Im taking many numbers from my memory, I may be off on some. There is also some speculation form my side here.

On a general basis, I would not say that a higher bin emitter costs more than a lower bin.

Ofcourse U3 should generally be more expensive than T6, its better in the BIN department, and equal on the others.
6500K T6 with 65-CRI typical
6500K U2 with 65-CRI typical
6500K U3 with 65-CRI typical

But look at XM-L T4,T5 from FT. They are more expensive than XM-L U2/U3.
In this case I guess it have to do with demand and supply (or maybe just pricing)… WW T4(/T3?), is not as cheap either. These are less known emitters. Manufacturers and such often use CW, or 5000K NW. These are popular emitters, so some distributors probably buy larger quantities, making them easier to sell cheap. The emitters I prefer, that are more in 3500-4500K are usually less common, and fairly expensive.
This is not always the case though.. Some of the more recent XM-L2s have been nicely/reasonable priced despite having top specs.

CRI has a lot to say in this too. XM-L2 S6(very low bin), with 90-CRI is fairly expensive.
There are also some emitters that should be cheaper than others. When looking at the more detailed XP-G2 spreadsheet we can in some cases see many emitters in the same tint range. In theory I would assume pricing should be something like this:


This is an extreme example though, but it shows the importance of knowing the exact BIN and CRI when buying certain type of emitters. Intl-outdoor does this. (I hope I have had something to do with then when requesting various specific emitters.) For the record, I have requested emitters to FT too, but none of those have been seen.

Back to the picture.
1) 3750K – Q5 with 70-CRI typical
2) 3750K – Q5 with 80-CRI typical
3) 3750K – Q5 with 80-CRI Minimum
4) 3750K- R2 with 80-CRI Minium

In the example I would say 1s emitter should be quite cheap, and the 4. emitter should be the most expensive.

When it comes to XP-G2s, the cheapest ones out there are the currently top bin R5 6500CW emitter. All the others, are usually more expensive.
You can also get 5000K NW in the same R5 BIN (still a low 70-CRI though). I would pay more for that unless I had de-dome plans or were on a tight budget.
If an emitter have same bin and same CRI, I usually consider the less cool tint to be the most expensive (and IMO, usually the nicest).

On a side note, Im a bit fed up with the majority of vendors when it comes to emitter specs to be honest. Too much BS specs, or the lack of specs, or questionable emitter tint (and bin).
KD and the others cheap “DX type” china stores seem to be quite off at times when it comes to emitter specs too, nor are their responses what I would say trustworthy compared to what you get.
FT, which I consider a fairly trustworthy vendor, have sold me XP-Gs that were not as described in terms if tint. What else differences could be in the specs? Lower bin than advertised? They seem to offer a few “higher bin XM-Ls than all the rest, and what is stated in the Cree datasheet”. Again, if that is a mistake, what other mistakes could there be? When that is said, I have been happy with all my XM-Ls from FT.
I had to mail LCK-LED in order to find out what tint and bin their NW XP-G2s were. They told me 5A tint and unknown BIN. But it certainly looked like 3C to me, certainly not anywhere close to the similar tint from intl-outdoor, which I considered to be correct in comparison with a bunch of other emitters. They also messed up description on packaging. They are supposed to be a professional LED supplier. How hard can it be to get the basics right?
LED-DNA does in some cases lack info too..

Im very happy with some of the latest emitters intl-outdoor have gotten in stock though, I should mention Illumination supply too. Smile

Generally the slightly lower bin emitters that I buy are usually more expensive than the higher/top bin CW emitters.
I would have saved a good amount of money if I always opted for the higher bin (CW) emitters.

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RaceR, thank you very much for your analysis. Sorry I didn’t reply any quicker.

It seems like IO is leading the way for accurate tint and bin descriptions. I also wish that FT would write down the exact specs, or even take a photo of the ID from the reel itself. Then we would know exactly what we’re getting, given that FT doesn’t mix them up while packaging.

Thanks again for your explanation! Smile

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ryansoh3 wrote:
RaceR, thank you very much for your analysis. Sorry I didn't reply any quicker. It seems like IO is leading the way for accurate tint and bin descriptions. I also wish that FT would write down the exact specs, or even take a photo of the ID from the reel itself. Then we would know exactly what we're getting, given that FT doesn't mix them up while packaging. Thanks again for your explanation! :)

IO buys the reels themselves, at least some of them, that is they have those markers on the IDs, rest are resellers.

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Hikelite wrote:

IO buys the reels themselves, at least some of them, that is they have those markers on the IDs, rest are resellers.

So FT doesn’t buy the reels?

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IO buys the reels themselves, at least some of them, that is they have those markers on the IDs, rest are resellers.

So FT doesn't buy the reels?

Do you think they wouldn't know anything about them if they would.

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