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Hikelite wrote:
Do you think they wouldn’t know anything about them if they would.

I thought FT was just ignoring all the “extra” info. Smile

Are the reels too expensive for them to purchase?

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Hikelite wrote:
Do you think they wouldn't know anything about them if they would.

 

I thought FT was just ignoring all the "extra" info. Smile Are the reels too expensive for them to purchase?

I do not know, for who?

IO has put video and made a thread saying they are not trusting the dealers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIhz6lhghHo&feature=youtu.be

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Hikelite wrote:

IO buys the reels themselves, at least some of them, that is they have those markers on the IDs, rest are resellers.

So FT doesn’t buy the reels?

Ill quote FT here.
“All distributors have confirmed that the following bins are correct: T6 4C, T4 7C, and U3 (cool white).”
This was several months ago. At that time, we knew U3 existed. But FT were the only store had the others.

In some way, that confirms that they get the info from their distributors. So if the distributor mess up something, or are not perfectly honest in order to get rid for a certain product/emitter then FT risk getting the wrong info. (There is also the chance of the store doing mistakes)

I have asked stores about bin/tint before. They have contacted their supplier but yet said that certain things are unknown. Its not confidence inspiring when some/several distributors don’t even know exactly what they sell.

Just to show an example.
When XM-L2 U2 1A P60 in arrived on the market. Kaidoman, Manafont, and Lightmalls got several similar pre-made products in stock at the same time. P60 XM-L2 drop-ins and such, they seemed to offer similar driver circuits and mode options..
Im assuming things here, but what are the odds that they all suddenly got what to looked to be the exact same product at the same time. But yet, they had different specs emitter specs.. I went a little “Sherlock Holmes”…
Manafont and Lightmalls could not get the bin/tint info from their distributor (I think one of them said XM-L2 T6 BIN, and that was the info they had). They seemed to sell the same product that Kaidomain claimed XM-L2 U2 1A (highest bin at the time), despite that no other Chinese store had that XM-L2 U2 drop-in at that moment. And FT have still not managed to get that emitter several months later from any of their Chinese distributor. They managed to get XM-L2 T6, though. Which intl-outdoor also got early. But no one of those managed to get XM-L2 U2, they still have not managed to get the emitters in stock. Several members have reported inconsistency in the tint from KD too.
Im not saying that KD are not selling U2 1A bint/tint emitters, or that its not XM-L2 U2 1A in all the products they claim use that emitter. I have no proof. But I am questioning it… I have gotten false info from them before when talking with customer support.

My point is, certain stores does not take specifications seriously at all. Some distributors does not seem to know what the exact emitters specs are. Such things explains a lot of inconsistency.

FT is quite good in my book, their prices and customer support seem to kinda make up for smaller inconsistencies.
But intl-outdoor and Illumination supply seem to be at the top of things when it comes to emitters (and other tings). They are just more dedicated to the enthusiast flashlight community.

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New emitters from Illumination supply added.
For XM-L2 and XP-G2 these have the highest possible CRI combined with the highest bin (for 90 CRI minimum emitters).
Very nice price on both of them too!

XM-L2 Bare S6, 7D3 (3000K) 90 min CRI
4,5$

XP-G2 Bare Q2, 7C (~2900K) 90 min CRI
3,25$

Im looking forward to try these out and compare with other emitters. Smile

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+1 - totally agree IS and IOS are the only true reputable stores for parts that I would trust near 100%, just wish they had more offerings of what I want to buy.

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Tom E wrote:

+1 – totally agree IS and IOS are the only true reputable stores for parts that I would trust near 100%, just wish they had more offerings of what I want to buy.

What you want to buy? Beside XM-L2 U3 Wink

Btw, I also have experience with LCK-LED and LED DNA. But none of those come close. Missing bin/tint info and such..
LCK-LED I had to email about info. I was told that their NW XP-G2 was 5A tint and unknown bin.
Package was labeled T6 (BIN) on XP-G2 emitter. Big Smile and 3C tint, despite that they said 5A tint in mail.

Real life color looked like 3C to me, close to 5000K. Certainly not 5A that I was told..
How is it possible to mess up that much when your store is named “LCK- LED, professional LED supplier”??
Not confidence inspiring…

Just have to say again. Im highly impressed with the price illumination supply have on those last two emitters!
Looking forward to try them out, I put some Nichia 219 in the order as well. 0:)

Out of 2nd generation emitters, combined intl-outdoor and illumination supply seem to have most of the available good stuff there is.

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Tom E wrote:

+1 - totally agree IS and IOS are the only true reputable stores for parts that I would trust near 100%, just wish they had more offerings of what I want to buy.

For me OIS lately has come very close to carrying my ideal selection of leds, I love it that they sell some 80+ CRI 4000K and 3500K XM-L2 leds now. Only two omissions: XP-G2 4000K 80+ CRI, and the MT-G2 4000K 80+ CRI. The last one has been promised by Hank not too long ago somewhere here on BLF.

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djozz wrote:

Tom E wrote:

+1 - totally agree IS and IOS are the only true reputable stores for parts that I would trust near 100%, just wish they had more offerings of what I want to buy.

For me OIS lately has come very close to carrying my ideal selection of leds, I love it that they sell some 80+ CRI 4000K and 3500K XM-L2 leds now. Only two omissions: XP-G2 4000K 80+ CRI, and the MT-G2 4000K 80+ CRI. The last one has been promised by Hank not too long ago somewhere here on BLF.

Well, IOS specifically has pretty much nothing in cool white's (I've begged Hank and Craig to get U2 1A's). IS has the U2 1C, but really want the U2 1A, specially for de-doming which I'm doing a lot of lately. I've gotten beat up even for reportedly green tint in the 1C w/dome - still lots of guys out there like and want the true cool 1A's. From what I've seen 0D starts turning blue, but 1A's are the most purest white. Personnaly I like the 3C's but haven't seen anything warmer, but if I had any time for doing my own mods, I'd love to try the warmer XM-L2's but been hearing negatives when compared to the Nichia's for example. Mostly though, my rep is all about lumens and kcd, so I've been kind of stuck with the high bins.

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I think Hank is/was trying to get XM-L2 U2 down towards 5700K. Should set them more apart from the typical 6500K blue tints.. I don’t see how anyone could call a 6500K for pure white, A1 or whatever it is. But its all personal preference..
Now that U3 is kinda official, who knows what will happen.

Here are XM-L2 U3 emitters though..
http://www.willbuying.com/cree-xml2-u3-10w-3a-1300lm-white-light-led-emi...

I just saw them in this thread.

People can feel free to gamble. I have no intention of buying from them…

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On the XM-L2 and XP-G2 sheet I have added a CRI column..

New emitters from IOS added:
CREE XM-L2 T4 5D2 Minimum 80 CRI Bare LED

CREE XM-L2 T5 4C BARE LED

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I love that Hank’s getting these sweet tints. Right on the BB line.
For convenience’s sake I hope he starts selling them premounted on Noctigon boards.

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To make things easier when looking for XM-L2s. Smile I added some emitters from IOS and IS to this picture… Some may have remember I did a similar thing in the past with XM-L emitters from FT. Before the LED database.

T3 6A1 from IOS is out of stock/gone, so that is not in. Personally I found it a bit to red-ish, so will not buying more even if it gets back in stock.
Quite nice selection between NW emitters now! Party

I hope someone gets a 6C1 or something similar.. I have requested something in the 3500K range before.. A T3 6C1, 80+ CRI would not be wrong.. 0:)

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RaceR86 wrote:

Quite nice selection between NW emitters now! Party
I hope someone gets a 6C1 or something similar.. I have requested something in the 3500K range before.. A T3 6C1, 80+ CRI would not be wrong.. 0:)

+1.
Between 3400 and 3700k with >80 CRI would be fantastic, provided it’s a bin adjacent to the BB locus to avoid a red or yellow overdose.
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Wallbuys is listing an XM-L2 U2 Cool White.
Added to spreadsheet. As with many emitters in the list, difficult to say if it is actually a U2 bin.
http://wallbuys.com/Product/20mm-CREE-XM-L2-U2-960-LM-Cool-White-Bulb-Board-for-FlashlightBlackGrey-9027

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Thanks Relic38.

The other day I updated the price for Kaidomain XM-L2 U2 1A. 6.69$
Though I would post about it now, and noticed that they sell the same emitter mounted on copper mcpcb for 6.29$? Silly
Yes, cheaper on what is probably one of the typical cheapo copper mcpcbs with insulation layer. But still the cheapest option is on copper MCPCB.

As you say with WB, if they actually are U2, or 1A tint, can be questioned.
Besides KD and WB, all other U2s are from what I consider trustworthy dealers (IOS, LED-Tech, Cutter, Mouser), but none of those have free shipping.

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RaceR86, your pic is very helpful and makes tint selections so much easier! Thanks for all your continued effort!

I ordered a XM-L2 U2 from DX. Yeah, I know its probably not authentic, but I only paid a few dollars for it with a coupon. I have XM-L2 T6 1A’s to compare. If the “U2” gives more lux, I’ll add it to the spreadsheet.

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Racer, those copper PCBs can easily be made direct bonded by cutting away the pad layer and filling with solder paste. I bet it would be difficult to measure the difference. Interesting…

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RaceR86 wrote:
Thanks Relic38.

The other day I updated the price for Kaidomain XM-L2 U2 1A. 6.69$
Though I would post about it now, and noticed that they sell the same emitter mounted on copper mcpcb for 6.29$? Silly
Yes, cheaper on what is probably one of the typical cheapo copper mcpcbs with insulation layer. But still the cheapest option is on copper MCPCB.

As you say with WB, if they actually are U2, or 1A tint, can be questioned.
Besides KD and WB, all other U2s are from what I consider trustworthy dealers (IOS, LED-Tech, Cutter, Mouser), but none of those have free shipping.

There is no U2 on that listing? Sad

http://kaidomain.com/product/details.S021847

Are you sure its U2? i like most powerful option.

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dazed1 wrote:

There is no U2 on that listing? Sad

http://kaidomain.com/product/details.S021847

Are you sure its U2? i like most powerful option.

Hmm… Maybe I was blind or imagined something???
I was pretty sure it said U2 before. I dont know. (KD have changed emitter info several times in the past, but Im not perfect either, so…)

If you like the most powerful version, check this tread.
Intl-outdoor just got the U2, they will be offered on Noctigon soon, probably a nice price but minimum quantity of 3.

Illumination supply sell the emitters mounted on copper too.
https://illuminationsupply.com/pcb-mounted-cree-leds-c-52_36_89/cree-xml...

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Racer, those copper PCBs can easily be made direct bonded by cutting away the pad layer and filling with solder paste. I bet it would be difficult to measure the difference. Interesting…

Yupp, I know. But im not into CW that much, nor do I like buying from KD, and I prefer the real deal. Might be a decent budget option though.
Relic38, when you checked the product, did it not say U2? or was it just me???

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Love the tint chart. That is very helpful. Thank you RaceR86 Smile

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Love the tint chart. That is very helpful. Thank you RaceR86 Smile

Smile

Glad you liked it!

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Added the following XM-L2s mounted on copper from IS:
https://illuminationsupply.com/pcb-mounted-cree-leds-c-52_36_89/cree-xml...
https://illuminationsupply.com/pcb-mounted-cree-leds-c-52_36_89/cree-xml...
https://illuminationsupply.com/pcb-mounted-cree-leds-c-52_36_89/cree-xml...

FROM IOS.
MINIMUM ORDER OF 3 in the links below

I removed the original links to the T4 5B1 emitters, since they are all gone but now available mounted on Noctigon 16/20
If you buy 3, then they are basically mounted on Noctigon for free.
http://intl-outdoor.com/noctigon-xm16-mcpcb-cree-xml2-t4-5b1-80cri-led-p...
http://intl-outdoor.com/noctigon-xm20-mcpcb-cree-xml2-t4-5b1-80cri-led-p...

If 10+ XM-L2 U2s are bought, then price is only 3,95$ a piece.
http://intl-outdoor.com/cree-xml2-u2-1c-led-12mm-mcpcb-p-743.html
http://intl-outdoor.com/cree-xml2-u2-1c-led-14mm-mcpcb-p-742.html

U2 will be available mounted on copper later in the week.

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Low price for XM-L2 T6 3C mounted on copper too from IOS

Links are now up! (or basically, old links have changed)
http://intl-outdoor.com/noctigon-xm16-mcpcb-cree-xml2-t6-3c-led-p-718.html
http://intl-outdoor.com/noctigon-xm16-mcpcb-cree-xml2-t6-3c-led-p-718.html

6,39$
MINIMUM ORDER OF 3

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R86, yeah those were certainly U2 when I saw them. I guess they changed it? Oh well, we now have some real nice options for L2 U2 on real DCB stars. IS and I-O will be my XM-L2 suppliers Wink

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Thanks for verifying Relic38, thats what I assumed too.

Quite nice selection of all emitters now.. When that is said, much want more. So I contacted the banned aliexpress dealer. He is getting even more XM-L2s in stock. His selection of various XM-L2 emitters might become larger than IO and IOS combined. I just cant walk away from that.. ;p Especially if prices are good. So I might buy some emitters and see how they turn out to be. Im not buying a bunch of everything tough. I hope its not a new trend seeing minimum quantity of 3 or more. I think dealers should just stick to having the option of buying one emitter and offer quantity discount for 3/5/10+ emitters.

When that is said, got the T4 5D2 (80+CRI) from IOS today. And its just like described! Smile

Just a tad warmer than the T4 5B1 and a bit less yellow. If anyone found the T4 5B1 a bit too yellow they will love the T5 5D2! I think its great!
Based on first impression, I would say that too my eyes, the CRI is better because it makes things less yellow. I dont mind a hint of yellow though, but so far, its really hard to choose which I prefer. Another fantastic emitter! Smile

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Added the following emitters from IOS, Minimum quantity of 3:

NOCTIGON XM16 MCPCB & CREE XM-L2 U2 1A LED 5,92$
NOCTIGON XM20 MCPCB & CREE XM-L2 U2 1A LED 5,92$
NOCTIGON XM16 MCPCB & CREE XM-L2 U2 1C LED 5,92$
NOCTIGON XM20 MCPCB & CREE XM-L2 U2 1C LED 5,92$

(Larger quantities will make price even better)

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There goes a few hundred bucks real quick. Thanks for the links.

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Just ordered 25 pcs XP-E2 from Calvin at Illuminationsupply price 2,75 piece. They don’t carry them on copper star.

https://illuminationsupply.com/bare-leds-c-52_36_88/cree-xpe2-bare-r3-1d...

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luminarium iaculator wrote:
Just ordered 25 pcs XP-E2 from Calvin at Illuminationsupply price 2,75 piece. They don’t carry them on copper star.

https://illuminationsupply.com/bare-leds-c-52_36_88/cree-xpe2-bare-r3-1d...

Thanks for sharing!
The emitter have been added a few months ago though.
Im considering to buy a few. I received a 5 emitter reflector (about same size as the typical 3 emitter reflectors that comes with a SRK).
I wonder how the beam and throw will be with 4 de-domed XP-E2 + on warmer/higher cri XP-G2 or XM-L2 in the middle, compared to 3XP-G2s in a typical “SRK reflector”. Anyone care to take a guess, hopefully based on some experience?

What plans do you have for 25pcs? 0:)

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I have three of those T5 5C1 ( you might have the arrow pointed in the wrong spot for it Wink ) in my DIY triple, and the tint is very nice. I also have it in a P60 drop-in. The hotspot has yellow in it, so not for everyone. I will have to try the 5B1 and the 5D2.
Not sure, but I think I’m becoming a tint snob Smile

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RaceR86 wrote:
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Just ordered 25 pcs XP-E2 from Calvin at Illuminationsupply price 2,75 piece. They don’t carry them on copper star.

https://illuminationsupply.com/bare-leds-c-52_36_88/cree-xpe2-bare-r3-1d...

Thanks for sharing!
The emitter have been added a few months ago though.
Im considering to buy a few. I received a 5 emitter reflector (about same size as the typical 3 emitter reflectors that comes with a SRK).
I wonder how the beam and throw will be with 4 de-domed XP-E2 + on warmer/higher cri XP-G2 or XM-L2 in the middle, compared to 3XP-G2s in a typical “SRK reflector”. Anyone care to take a guess, hopefully based on some experience?

What plans do you have for 25pcs? 0:)

Plan is to put them in smaller aspheric type of flashlights because it has way to tiny beam in bigger aspherics… It is same size as XRE EZ900 so when you de-dome it you know what to expect Smile

But if someone wants to break aspheric throw record this is only emitter to go without wavien collar …

XP-G2 looks much better emitter for middle to bigger reflector throwers.

So XP-E2 is more EDC flashlight suitable emitter. Small reflector or small aspheric.

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