Suspicious car... need a motion sensor LED light

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Suspicious car... need a motion sensor LED light

We live in a rural area where several break ins occurred last summer. Each occurred shortly after the person left home. My driveway is gated at the highway and the house is directly up the hill 120 yards from the gate. There is no electricity at the gate. We have no garage so it’s easy to look up the driveway and tell if we are home if anyone has cased the house and knows how many cars we have.

Last night after dark about 8PM, someone pulled up to my driveway gate and stopped for about 30 seconds. Then, they pulled out and drove slowly to a neighbor’s driveway, pulled in and turned around. It drove back to my driveway and stopped again, dimming the lights and sitting for about 30 seconds before pulling out and driving down the road slowly the same way it originally came in. What’s really suspicious about this is that this has happened before. There’s no light at the highway so all I could tell was that it was a full size car and probably older because it had 2 square tail lights on each side.

One suggestion on another forum was to set up an infrared deer camera by the gate. That might get an IR photo of the car, but it wouldn’t get the tag number.

Another suggestion was to set up a motion sensor light because light is the bain of criminals, which brings me to my question. I need a good hi-power motion sensor LED light that can run off a battery or some sort of solar power/battery setup. My thinking is if I automatically light up the gate and maybe put up a video surveillance sign, it would cause potential criminals to look for an easier mark.

I found this solar LED security light at Harbor Freight. http://www.harborfreight.com/60-led-solar-security-light-69643.html It claims to be 10 watts. I need recommendations for a good LED security light and a way to power it.

I’m also thinking of buying the Sky Ray King 3 from Fasttech here http://www.fasttech.com/products/1601/10003058/1234001-sky-ray-king-3-cr...

Anyone have any experience with this light? Do I need 4 matching 18650s to power it? I only have matching sets of two.

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you may want to buy a game camera – although the car may or may not trigger it because infrared motion is usually what triggers them to take a picture. maybe the exhaust will trigger it.

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Get some motion detector flood lights on the house, and find someone you know that has an alarm system with a current account (not ADT if possible) and see if they can order you some signs and put them up by the gate and house.  All of the battery powered /solar lights I have tried that I could afford failed quickly. If you have money then maybe you could afford a high end remote lighting system, and your own alarm system .  

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Sure does sound suspicious to me.  Glad you became aware of it and can do something to prevent a possible break in.  Unfortunately I don't have any experience with solar flood lights but I can tell you that you should invest in a new set of 4 cells to go with the SRK if you get one.  You do need a matched set.  Get them from Kumabear or Fasttech and get all 4 cells at the same time to help ensure they are all from the same batch and therefore pretty well matched.

The SRK will easily light 120yds out but if you really want to hit them with a lot of light to not only identify anyone hanging about the gate and/or blind them to discourage them from doing it again I'd recommend a thrower instead.  The SRK is great if you wish to sweep your property for suspicious activity but if you just wish to light up the gate to identify cars or people then you should get a thrower.  There are lots to choose from but an STL-V2 or similar torch would work great and use the cells you already have.

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These are pretty good lights, I have several of each. Solar panel mounts separately in case the sun doesn't shine where the light is mounted.

EE836DE

There's also this one which is self-contained, just mount it and you're done:

EE860DT

Check out their store for bulk buy options and bundles.

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Thanks, JohnnyMac, I checked FastTech and Manafont for the SRK STL-V2. They don’t have it. I’ll keep looking. I really want to do business with someone reputable and these are the best two I have found so far.

I thought the model I was looking at was a thrower Smile … I’m still new to LED flashlights. The brightest light I own is an UltraFire CREE xml u2 like this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultrafire-12W-1600-Lumens-CREE-XM-L-U2-LED-Flashlight-Torch-Lamp-Light-Holster-/180991120744?pt=US_Flashlights&hash=item2a23e95568

It will light up the gate sufficiently from the house deck to see the car, but not well enough to tell the make or model from 120 yards away. I assume the stl-v2 is brighter/more spot?

I’m thinking of mounting an LED motion sensor light on the post by the padlock at eye level and point it directly at where the driver would be sitting. I’d think that would be intimidating to a potential thief.

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Deer cameras will probably trigger on a car, and they can capture a license plate if it’s angled right.
There is a lot of variation in the deer camera market; buying them is hit or miss. I got a good one for my dad, however I have no idea what model it was now. it took great shots (count the points on a buck from 40 ft or more) It also had a video option that he doesn’t use but worked well. One downside; it ate four C batteries in a month with daily activity.

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jgradyc wrote:
Thanks, JohnnyMac, I checked FastTech and Manafont for the SRK STL-V2. They don't have it. I'll keep looking. I really want to do business with someone reputable and these are the best two I have found so far. I thought the model I was looking at was a thrower Smile ... I'm still new to LED flashlights. The brightest light I own is an UltraFire CREE xml u2 like this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultrafire-12W-1600-Lumens-CREE-XM-L-U2-LED-Flash... It will light up the gate sufficiently from the house deck to see the car, but not well enough to tell the make or model from 120 yards away. I assume the stl-v2 is brighter/more spot? I'm thinking of mounting an LED motion sensor light on the post by the padlock at eye level and point it directly at where the driver would be sitting. I'd think that would be intimidating to a potential thief.
With the Fandyfire's the model of it is STL-V6 and Fastech does have it.  The light you currently have is a C8 and while it throws much better than a p60 host I still don't consider it a thrower even though there are some here who insist on thinking it is.  It's a great light, just not a real thrower.
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Heard these camera will send images/vids to your cell phone?

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you may want to buy a game camera – although the car may or may not trigger it because infrared motion is usually what triggers them to take a picture. maybe the exhaust will trigger it.
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They can send images to your phone if you get an ip camera, ie it’s connected to a wifi. A game camera will captue the car, and can have a flash or infra red.

Problem with a game cam is that they can be stolen, your best bet is to angle and calibrate it to take video when its triggered. There are several on the market and it shouldn’t be hard to find one.

I would call your police department and let them know there has been suspicious activity at a certain time and have them do a drive by a few times.

An ip or webcam might be the best option for capturing them inside your house. You could also get a couple of fake cameras and set them up outside, they look real enough and run around 15 $.

I hope the car doesn’t build up the courage to attempt anything.

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PS — I’m interested in the question too. Our block has had several back doors kicked in on weekdays, possibly by people who knock on the front door and then go ‘round the back if nobody answers.

I’d really like to see someone come up with a neighborhood-watch system so everyone involved could put a camera on their driveway or back yard that would both archive images on motion detection, and also let anyone in the neighborhood group watch their neighbors’ cameras to call in any suspicion.

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clifford wrote:
you may want to buy a game camera – although the car may or may not trigger it because infrared motion is usually what triggers them to take a picture. maybe the exhaust will trigger it.

It should work. The front of a car gets hotter than an animals body temp due to the heat soak from an engine that is approx. 220 degrees. Especially an older model like he mentioned.

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JohnnyMac wrote:
It’s a great light, just not a real thrower.

What about the HD Defiant C light Johhny? It’s hard to beat for $23 and has great throw. You don’t have to wait on shipping either.

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I’d get a friends help – whatever evening you’re usually gone, stay there and have someone take your car away from the house at the usual time.

shut off the lights, and keep cell phone, camera, flashlight and claymore detonator ready.

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Zeus33 wrote:
JohnnyMac wrote:
It's a great light, just not a real thrower.

 

What about the HD Defiant C light Johhny? It's hard to beat for $23 and has great throw. You don't have to wait on shipping either.
I suppose you are correct about that.  I don't have one but from what others say that may be a good recommendation. Wink  If it doesn't perform the way he wants he can always easily return it, too.
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JohnnyMac wrote:
I can tell you that you should invest in a new set of 4 cells to go with the SRK if you get one.  You do need a matched set.  Get them from Kumabear or Fasttech and get all 4 cells at the same time to help ensure they are all from the same batch and therefore pretty well matched.

I would have to disagree, as long the cells are close, you should be fine due to the cells being in parallel especially if they are protected. Now I wouldn’t recommend 2 3400 Orbtronic with 2 real capacity 1000 *fires(but then again, who would really recommend *fires for anything Big Smile )
The SRK could also be run off of 1 or 2 cells if you absolutely needed it to.
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hank wrote:
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Thanks Hank. The original post has been edited. It’s suspicious in that this has happened before. I think a bright light in the face from the gate post along with a CCTV camera (real or dummy) would do the trick. I’m concerned that someone might think we’re gone, but my wife would be home alone. If I’m home alone, it’s a different matter. Wink

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I can do a defiant vs stl comparison in a couple of hours for you. Both are un modified as yet and I was planning on having a play anyway. We’re pretty light poluted here sobit takes much more output to make an impression than a rural area.

I think the best idea was listed above, with a tweak. Id go with a rifle and night scope over the claymores much less mess to clean up. :bigsmile:

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Consider adding lighting the length of your driveway w/ motion detectors at each end. Handy if you go out in the evening and puts the thieves on notice.

A SRK or similar light is good even if you can’t ID the car or license #. If the driver is up to no good, getting blasted w/ that bright a light will spook them big time. ‘They lit me up like noontime, they could see me and the car, time to get out of Dodge!’…

A cheap laser pointer is handy too, just strap it under your light so it looks like a laser designator. You’ll hear squeeling tires for a long long time when a crook gets a taste of coherent light.

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He bought a TK70…. The Last car to pull up in his drive like that… He lit em up light they were on stage. They havent been back.

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to draw the guy to your house and then use cameras on poles to discourage him getting to the cameras.
If he’s on the driveway you pretty much know where the plates will be within the field of view.
Once he sees camera flashes he will go to easier, less risky, pickings while he worries about if he’s been “made” at your place.

What a hassle.

Where I am you cannot use deadly force to protect property and no booby traps that kill or wound.

I set up a microswitch under an axle to catch the guy that was letting the air out of my girl friend’s tires.
It was not a false alarm I got at 11:30 PM Friday night, but I couldn’t catch him. Either he ran very fast or he hid under the car.
By the time the cops got there they told me that vandalism means permanent damage so this guy would have walked, I guess.
Then he took to tipping over planters. We almost certainly knew who it was but I could not catch him in the act.

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Ok, back from testing the two lights picking my stepson up from scouts.

The fandyfire stl-v6 has the edge over the defiant 3c super thrower. HOWEVER, there is more than just the throw. Both lights will do you fine for spotting a vehicle at 120 yards. I paced out from my house to the other side of the park at the end of our road (I’ll get some pictures over the weekend) the defiant is a very simple, civilian friendly light. Side switch, primary cells, one mode. The fandyfire is 3mode/5mode (loosen head ring to group change) forward clicky. The 3mode group is hi-low-strobe.

I dont like forward clickys, and my thought is what if your wife is spotting the subject car rather than you? I would say its better you or your wife is guaranteed to get high every time. You can always grab an stl-v2 if you want but I would recommend you get the defiant to keep near the door any way. It also offers the comforting heft that only a 3 c cell + light can offer, the stl-v2 feels like a toy in comparison. Mrs gords also likes the defiant, she keeps it upstairs if I’m working away. Same reasons as above. Simple and hefty. :bigsmile:

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[quote=DimBulb]to draw the guy to your house and then use cameras on poles to discourage him getting to the cameras.
If he’s on the driveway you pretty much know where the plates will be within the field of view.
Once he sees camera flashes he will go to easier, less risky, pickings while he worries about if he’s been “made” at your place.

R U HIGH??? Lure him in??? There is no fool proof security system. This is inviting disaster… Any thief with any skills at all will case the house and avoid the cameras. A air rifle is very effective at disabling cameras & very quiet. Thank god you can’t use deadly force… You’d have shot the milkman…. Lmao

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JohnnyMac]<p>[quote=jgradyc wrote:
The light you currently have is a C8 and while it throws much better than a p60 host I still don’t consider it a thrower even though there are some here who insist on thinking it is.  It’s a great light, just not a real thrower.

Not all C8s are great throwers. Some are better than others. I had a nice C8 that would really throw but it shorted out. The two newer UF-C8 have half OP half smooth reflectors and don’t throw nearly as well as my old one.

The Solarforce MPP-1 head is still the king of pure throw that I own. It doesn’t put out the same lumens as my other throwers but it is such a tight and focused beam that it throws every single lumen where you want it.

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Dale wrote:

R U HIGH??? Lure him in??? There is no fool proof security system. This is inviting disaster… Any thief with any skills at all will case the house and avoid the cameras. A air rifle is very effective at disabling cameras & very quiet. Thank god you can’t use deadly force… You’d have shot the milkman…. Lmao

Hi, Dale. . .

Not high, just been there and done that.

From the Game Theory point of view all you can do is increase your odds of minimizing your losses; no absolutes, no certainty. And according to a book I happened to see in a Police Academy library half the crooks are never caught.

You know the difference between burglars and robbers, right? And Dr. Eric Berne has something to say about the professionals and those who play games.
Briefly, pros don’t move unless the fix is in. The others steal food from your fridge, relieve themselves in your bathroom and fall asleep, drunk, on your couch.

The best approach is to ask the cops what they recommend, then subtract out their ‘biases’ [also called, “What rules they are working under”] then do your research.

Ideally the OP would get a clear photo of the license, the car and the occupants, with a timestamp on the photo. What happens next is somewhat up for grabs. If you saw the original movie “Walking Tall” the whole state of TN is corrupt, but probably not as bad as NJ.

Thanks for reading my post. . .:)

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Was going to suggest an HID light, like the fabulous Stanley from WalMart. That would really put a blinding spot and make someone sit up and take notice rather than just putting some light on them with even a LED thrower…

but, also thinking your need is to have immediate light and the slight delay in getting the HID warmed up and OTF might not work too well.

And my experience w those yard lights has been not great. We finally ran AC, but we took a diagonal across the yard that reduced the run to about 175’ ft. We thought of 12v too w solar charger.

Check out Northern Hydraulics, since they do some rural & farm gear, Tractor Supply, etc.

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DimBulb][quote=Dale wrote:

R U HIGH??? Lure him in??? There is no fool proof security system. This is inviting disaster… Any thief with any skills at all will case the house and avoid the cameras. A air rifle is very effective at disabling cameras & very quiet. Thank god you can’t use deadly force… You’d have shot the milkman…. Lmao

Hi, Dale. . .

Not high, just been there and done that.

From the Game Theory point of view all you can do is increase your odds of minimizing your losses; no absolutes, no certainty. And according to a book I happened to see in a Police Academy library half the crooks are never caught.

You know the difference between burglars and robbers, right? And Dr. Eric Berne has something to say about the professionals and those who play games.
Briefly, pros don’t move unless the fix is in. The others steal food from your fridge, relieve themselves in your bathroom and fall asleep, drunk, on your couch.

The best approach is to ask the cops what they recommend, then subtract out their ‘biases’ [also called, “What rules they are working under”] then do your research.

Ideally the OP would get a clear photo of the license, the car and the occupants, with a timestamp on the photo. What happens next is somewhat up for grabs. If you saw the original movie “Walking Tall” the whole state of TN is corrupt, but probably not as bad as NJ.

Thanks for reading my post. . .:)[/quote

I have worked as MP myself. For the layman, inviting any criminal in closer is a bad idea. Call in the locals, make sure they make their presence known. Theory & conjecture is just that.. The books are only guidelines. Human behavior is unpredictable at best. No need to get any closer than need be. Just for safety sake.

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JJ Findlayson wrote:
The torch suggestions may do the trick . . . if he is at home to shine the light down the driveway with it. From what I’ve read, the crims burgle the place after the occupants have left. You may need mains powered lights, as solar can be unreliable, and somewhat dim compared to mains power. Realising the proximity from house to gate, that will get expensive. But if you are not home, and all you have is an IR picture of the vehicle, that may not be enough – it may be stolen. And the crims will have no idea their pic has even been taken, and will proceed up the driveway and into your house – damage done. An IR camera will not prevent a break in. You need to stop them at the gates by any means. Your family obviously comes first, I would splash out on a mains set-up, even if I had to sell my spleen to do so.

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I live rural with a long driveway. I have 4 Mr Beams LED motion sensor lights on the drive and 6 more scattered around the house. Not extremely bright but drop dead reliable with excellent sensors. That combined with several discretely located Dakota infrared alarms, nothing sneaks up on me when I’m home.

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I take it that large, hungry dogs are out of the question ?

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Large and hungry is good.

Large hungry and pissed off is better…..

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